The Legendary Next Update (365)

337 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-27 04:53 ID:Heaven [Del]

I don't see what's so bad about >>330. The alternative is to force the table to be full width, which will make it uglier (because in HTML all columns will become wider, including the skinniest ones), and harder to read.

> No need for a database, just a text file. You're right about storing IPs, though, but then how can you implement a banning system? Do you use an encrypted IP like the algorithm to generate ID codes?

Banning is done through Apache, which really makes more sense than doing it in the script. I don't want to re-invent the wheel for that.

> I mean that (for example) if I wanted to replace the permasaging function under the MAX_POSTS condition (permasage after X posts) with the thread-closing function (close after X posts), all it would require is a simple replacement of the proper function references in post_stuff(), correct?

No, they're done at different different places, because they are essentially different functions. The permasage behaviour doesn't actually permasage a thread, it only refrains from bumping it. There's no permsage flag added to the thread. The closing, on the other hand, does add a flag to the thread.

> Making "More options..." an option in the configs.
> Seems sensible, when you already have the ability to turn off WakabaMark as a board admin.

No. And I actually removed the DISABLE_WAKABAMARK option since it's no longer really needed. The replacement will be an option to select the default markup for a board, which makes much more sense overall.

185 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 09:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>184
If people are going to decide to use custom names for paramaters, then there isn't much you can do about it anyway, or is there?

351 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2005-10-28 04:55 ID:Heaven [Del]

I think you're a bit nutty, >>350...

31 Name: !nFxirOdZ2I 2005-10-14 00:57 ID:Heaven [Del]

testing #`abcdef¦

119 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 04:28 ID:Heaven [Del]

I found this:

fusianasan【ふしあなさん】[名・自スル]
2ちゃんねるに書き込みする際に名前欄に「fusianasan」の文字列を入力すると、その書き込みをした人のリモートホストのIPアドレスがさらされるようになっている。
本来は「(固定ハンドル)@fusianasan」などとして、まだキャップを取得していない固定ハンドルが自らIPをさらすことで騙りを防ぐためのシステムである。
が、裏2ちゃん関係のコピペが横行するに至って、一時期うっかりIPをさらしてしまう。
エロな人間が続出し、fusianasan廃止要望まで唱えられるに至った(当然却下されたが)。
IPをさらすことだけによる危険は、そのIPから手元で使用中のコンピュータを一意に特定でき
(ex:グローバルIPによる常時接続)、かつプロキシ・サーバー、ファイヤーウォールなどの防御策を怠っている場合にしか及ばないので、
fusianasanに引っかかったからといって実はそこまで神経質になることもなかったりする。
……過去にIPから仕事中に政府機関から2ちゃんねるにつないで裏2ちゃんに入ろうとしていた愚か者が釣れてさらされたという事例はあるが。
なお、現在では一部の板でデフォルトの名無しさん(名前欄未記入時の名前)が「fusianasanさん」などfusianasanを含む名前となっている場合がある。
また、串の性能を試すために敢えて裏2ちゃんに引っかかっていると思われる強者もちらほら見受けられる。

類義語:mokorikomo
参照:裏2ちゃん、キャップ

162 Name:   2005-10-19 16:45 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Well, there are some issues to consider here:

  • Hardly anybody needs to ever use fusianasan. It's a gimmick. Design decisions should not be made around it.
  • The strings may be strange, and combining fields isn't the best design possible, but this is a 0ch clone, after all. If I were designing something from scratch, I'd do things differently, but as it is, people are expecting 0ch behaviour, and it would confuse them if the script worked like 0ch in some ways but not others.
  • I might consider adding additional strings that trigger sage and fusianasan, but I'm not sure what they should be.

In the end, people actually enjoy the 0ch quirkiness. I know I do. I know about designing good interfaces, but there's something fun about an interface that is a little bit quirky, as long as it doesn't get in your way, and these things don't.

7 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-12 17:41 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

(Lots of stuff in here, click "whole post"!)

> How about listing what dmpk2k or you have done already?

Truth be told, I haven't even looked over his contributions yet. I'm doing some work on Kareha first. He did bandwidth load balancing for Wakaba across several servers, and image file archiving, at least. Plus some proxy checking and other goodies.

> Split threads and posts into separate tables. You're repeating the lasthit and parent column over and over.

Bad idea. Adds a lot of code complexity without adding any new functionality. The current solution is simple and robust.

> Automatic closing and moving of threads that do not get any activity in a certain timeframe (based on average activity frequency of the board)

This is nearly impossible to get right, and I don't think I'm going to try unless someone can think up a reliable algorithm that uses the data that is availble (not much).

> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)" (it's just handy to have that)

I tried several times, and concluded it wasn't worth the code and database overhead it would take. This feature is relatively easy to implement for Futaba-style post number limited boards (and Futaba implements it really stupidly), but it gets tricky when you have different deletion modes and want to do it right.

> Prune-limit mode that is defined by number of files or size sum of files on a board

Size limit is already implemented. I might add file limit, but I'm not sure it's all that useful, when you already have the size limit.

The rest, I agree with, and I will try to get most of it done. I'm sure there's some more stuff hidden in old threads, though!

190 Name:   2005-10-20 11:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

Also, for multiple board installations, use symlinks to allow you to keep just one installation of the main code files.

346 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 16:36 ID:+jQxeHvJ [Del]

http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1114201493/l50

Or use some sort of filter to replace them characters with underscores on upload.
This offcourse for files that keep their original filename.

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331 Name: 329 : 2005-10-26 20:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

While we're on that note, can there be a config.pl option to toggle between opening file attachments in a new window or in the current window?

169 Name:   2005-10-19 19:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

How come this is now the by far biggest thread on this board?

Maybe it's because I'm posting useless replies like this one!

352 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-28 06:34 ID:Heaven [Del]

At least i got 350

305 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 12:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

> You don't see the link to the WakabaMark page either?

Nope... ?

> There's just a tiny little link there to let people do this. Is this really a such a huge bother to deal with? It's two words.

It's a link, it screams "Click me!". Most people don't need it most of the time, still it'll be there all of the time. How about style:none or something?

And sorry for being annoying. Strong opinions and all, no offense.

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292 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 20:18 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>269
> No, because that would be immensely useless and annoying, because nobody would know it's there,

Nobody knows how to use WakabaMark as it is now either and I don't see a big fat ugly WakabaMark FAQ next to the post form either.

> and even if they did, they'd have to go somewhere else every time they wanted to post something using a different markup.

I am just guessing here, but I am pretty sure most people will only change their settings in very rare cases.
I really think this is something that would be more useful in some sort of browser extension than in the actual software.

88 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 12:39 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>86

>Why should it?

Because it's one of the two requirements for creating a new thread, and it's a lot more important to have a well-defined topic than to fill in your name.

>It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.

Good point.

>Any idea why?

I dunno. I guess it's just another one of Futaba's countless layout quirks.

37 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 13:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oops, forgot to link the first point to my original thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127326007

Oh, and see if dmpk2k is willing to port over the proxy detection and load-balancing/distributed server cluster functions to Kareha. Those would be neat.

276 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 17:40 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>275
Heh, I thought you had disabled it manually.

>The File field is almost never there.

Right, and when it isn't, the Formatting menu can still reside on the same line.

The error page in mode_message should more closely resemble that of 0ch (complete with "ERROR!" title).

21 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-13 12:10 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Also, here's something that would be useful, but is a bit more work than I feel like doing right now:

A simple thumbnailing program, that has no external dependencies and can be compiled to a maximally compatible, statically linked executable, for those who have hosts that don't have any image processing software, and don't allow you to compile your own. Should be able to load GIF, JPEG and PNG images, and produce JPEG thumbnails. Should contain all the source code it needs without linking to external libraries (it's easy enough to just stuff libjpeg, libpng, and zlib into the distro).

If anyone is lacking a programming project, feel free to take up this one! If you do, I can provide some fairly fast and good-looking image scaling code (or just rip it out of mangariini yourself).

299 Name: anon!21anon4H3U : 2005-10-23 21:48 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>294 Hey I like the new formatting bit. Should it collapse back down if you click away or if you click the "More options..." bit again, like the text box?

Just a thought. This setup is easier and more obvious than using the link field, with "AA" or "Wakabamark". BTW, I just realized that was a pun. Boo! Hiss! Not punny! :)

303 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-24 05:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Is it intentional that thread links without a trailing slash

Uh, I was wondering the same thing. I'm not sure. I guess I should fix that.

14 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-13 04:30 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

I've been meaning to change some of the defaults away from Futaba-style to saner behaviours. Any suggestions for what to change are welcome. So far:

  • Pruning set to furthest-back instead of oldest.
  • Size limit instead of post number limit, maybe?
  • I'll add thread closing to Kareha, but I was thinking of setting the default behaviour to never permasage or close threads.

61 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 02:10 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>58
Fuck you for giving me <blink>

321 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-26 09:17 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

About rel=nofollow: What links should have it? Obviously not the "entire thread" link, but the l50 links in the thread list sort of need it, otherwise the search engine will never find them in the first place. But that means the l50 links will end up in the index.

226 Name:   2005-10-21 17:12 ID:Heaven [Del]

That would be a bother too.

129 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 17:18 ID:Heaven [Del]

Damn, I was about to plug >>96 when I saw you uploaded the new version. Thanks for listening WAHa, you're awesome. :D

(Does this work like rules.html in mode_image? Is the board title inserted automatically in templates.pl or is it part of that separate html file?)

Already a few nitpicks though: (1) index.html#menu and index.html#1 links should be automatically inserted to the right of the board title (or below if you're looking at it without CSS), and (2) the "Create new thread" title isn't really necessary, since the widget button already explains its function (like with the reply box).

Unrelated: in 2ch thread lists, position numbers are followed by colons, not periods.

215 Name: 214 2005-10-21 15:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

Whoops, sorry. I read "close" instead of "permasage".
Permasage on filesize seems pretty silly, yes.

337 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-27 04:53 ID:Heaven [Del]

I don't see what's so bad about >>330. The alternative is to force the table to be full width, which will make it uglier (because in HTML all columns will become wider, including the skinniest ones), and harder to read.

> No need for a database, just a text file. You're right about storing IPs, though, but then how can you implement a banning system? Do you use an encrypted IP like the algorithm to generate ID codes?

Banning is done through Apache, which really makes more sense than doing it in the script. I don't want to re-invent the wheel for that.

> I mean that (for example) if I wanted to replace the permasaging function under the MAX_POSTS condition (permasage after X posts) with the thread-closing function (close after X posts), all it would require is a simple replacement of the proper function references in post_stuff(), correct?

No, they're done at different different places, because they are essentially different functions. The permasage behaviour doesn't actually permasage a thread, it only refrains from bumping it. There's no permsage flag added to the thread. The closing, on the other hand, does add a flag to the thread.

> Making "More options..." an option in the configs.
> Seems sensible, when you already have the ability to turn off WakabaMark as a board admin.

No. And I actually removed the DISABLE_WAKABAMARK option since it's no longer really needed. The replacement will be an option to select the default markup for a board, which makes much more sense overall.

238 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 23:15 ID:0dCD+kFU [Del]

>Most admins probably don't get point of the secret string anyway, and asking them to put in several is just too annoying. In retrospect, I'd like to add a second layer of hashing to these, but that'd mean breaking secure trips AGAIN.

You could take the route that MrVB (I think?) did and generate the strings on first run? openssl, /dev/random, perl's random as last resort. In almost every case you are going to get a better random string than most people will supply, and if they want to change it they can. Or only have them generated if they are not supplied.

Honestly, when people care so much about anonymity they can put up with the changes required to ensure it.

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