> That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?
Er, that's a bug I guess.
> 1) rename the RENZOKU constants to something that makes sense
I dunno, they're pretty useless anyway, as has been pointed out, so I don't know if I care enough to change them.
> 2) Have the string to sage and fusianasan defined as a constant in config
I dunno, if different boards use different strings, that will only make for immense confusion.
> 3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field
Well, the only string that makes sense is sage, but yes, I should implement the Heaven-on-sage behaviour.
> 4) Cookie preferences such as "Don't use expanding textarea" which leaves it small or big.. or another option for that choice as well; an option to not save Name/Email automatically; anything else that is useful?
Maybe, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort (I'd have to implement a preferences page for it, too).
> but I don't quite see why there should be a "First 100" at the top but not at the bottom.
Probably to avoid clutter and because of the assumption that if you arrive at the bottom of a page, you can do without the "First 100" link. "First 100" seems to be a navigational aid for beginners who are new to the thread, so it makes sense to only have it at the top.
Apparently it's not Japanese, because it's supposed to be pronounced as an English word. I have no clue, though.
> multi-page links (1-, 101-, 201-, etc) at the top of subpages
This is just implemented on some 0ch types. 2channel doesn't use it (at least on no board that I know of).
Weird, ¦ now stays ¦.
Testing #¦ now.
Hmm, looks like my ISP fails at keeping my IP secret.
> I don't understand the argument for OH NO ANOTHER BUTTON MY WHOLE LIFE IS RUINNED crowd
It's all a design & layout question. I'd like to have the interface reduced to what is absolutely neccessary, esp. since I do not think many people really want to even bother or bother very often with the whole markup question.
> The replacement will be an option to select the default markup for a board, which makes much more sense overall.
I agree, this seems to make the most sense. I understand the "More options..." will not be showing up on boards with fixed settings, so I'll shut my mouth from now on. Apologies to all who I've been bothering.
I don't know if this is a bug or not, but could you change the Futaba template so that hovering over/clicking on a post header doesn't count as doing the same to the deletion checkbox next to it? Same goes for the "[File Only]" area at the bottom with its checkbox.
Semantical nitpick: shouldn't the "Page top" link be called "Thread list"?
I can't reproduce this on Firefox 1.0.4 nor Safari on the Mac, but that ancient Firebird had a similar problem (but even worse).
Anyone else? Try post with a | in your name.
> how about having a third party create extensions for those browsers and freeing up the real estate on the actual page?
What's with this obsession on removing the CSS options? It's a single line, and some of us find it useful.
Real estate? Scroll down.
What about a(n) (optional) preview page? It would be nice, especially with the multiple formating options. It also allows most of the benefits of being able to edit posts, without being able to edit posts. I don't know how often I've screw up a quote because it didn't look like multiple lines but it was.
Is there a reason why the post box is so small and pushed to the side?
Forced fusianasan would be fine I think, if they had advanced warning.
the text
c < dcauses a <d> tag to be opened, which is not on the list, and therefore all the text until the next tag will be deleted. a better behavior in this case would be to just convert that < to <. you even ought to do this for
a < btoo, despite the fact that b is a valid tag, because who the hell leaves the closing angle bracket out of their HTML tag?
creating the correct regexes for this is an exercise left to the reader.
>>151 It's all public domain, I believe.
Forgot this one:
The general functions of imageboards do not seem to be clear to most people that eventually come around, the influx of total newbies is still big. Many neither know what sage is, how to properly reply to threads, what tripcodes are, etc.
Because of that, I believe it would be good to include a default link at the bottom of the unordered list at the bottom of the new thread form that links to http://wakaba.c3.cx/docs/docs.html#UsersGuide
http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/101-101
(First "Next 100" link) does not include >>1 in that thread
There's also some weird bug where the entire browser windowd content goes black, dunno what that is about...
n is implemented, but not for >> yet.
Also, >>1 is, as it is, only added to URLs of the form xx-yy and lxx. 2ch doesn't add >>1 for single-reply URLs, and if you're using commas, I figure you can add >>1 yourself if you want it. I'm not sure if this is the best behaviour, but that's how it works at the moment.
> To more closely resemble the 2ch look, how about prefixing thread title headers in the main board page with a 【position:postcount】thingie?
I find the "1. Thread title (1000)" format much more readable in the post list. And for the main titles, I don't see any value is putting the position in there. That serves no discernable purpose.
> And as suggested before, the navigation links on the bottom of individual thread pages should include "Previous 100" (ie, all posts before the first post in the URL) and "Next 100" (ie, all posts after the last post in the URL).
They already do, but only if there are enough posts in the thread for this to make sense. Or, try a short range like 23-27 to see it in action.
> The "First 100" link should also be removed from the bottom of individual thread pages, and there should be a link to to thread-list included below the reply box of each previewed thread on the front page.
I've been wondering about the justifications for which navigation links should go where. 2ch has it pretty much worked out, I'm sure, but I don't quite see why there should be a "First 100" at the top but not at the bottom.
> Change "Del" links to widget buttons.
Would be very ugly. Those buttons are big.
> In order for the CSS selector not to take over the entire header, how about turning it into a drop-down menu?
I was meaning to do that from the start, but there was some problem with gettting it right. I forget what exactly.
> The same could be done with the Admin functions (appearing only after one correctly inputs the password), placing it on the right side of the board and thread title headers (this would also allow admins the convenience of deleting and permasaging threads from the front-page).
Squeeks would prefer to have a separate script for admining. I'm not sure which is the best approach here.
> and would something like this work (given that all boards share the same root directory)?
> >>>>sup/1129153864/1-100
> >>>1129153864/1-100
Maybe, but I don't see the value in adding code for this, given that you can just paste the URL in there.
> P.S. When you mentioned serving dynamic pages in >>46, were you referring to individual thread pages? As I mentioned before, it'd be nice to make the front page as dynamic and flexible as thread pages when it comes to viewing options (via PATH_INFO).
The front page gets lots of hits. This would drive up CPU usage something fierce.
> Oh, and please bring back MAX_LINES.
I still don't think it serves any useful purpose.
> I don't understand the argument for OH NO ANOTHER BUTTON MY WHOLE LIFE IS RUINNED crowd
It's all a design & layout question. I'd like to have the interface reduced to what is absolutely neccessary, esp. since I do not think many people really want to even bother or bother very often with the whole markup question.
> The replacement will be an option to select the default markup for a board, which makes much more sense overall.
I agree, this seems to make the most sense. I understand the "More options..." will not be showing up on boards with fixed settings, so I'll shut my mouth from now on. Apologies to all who I've been bothering.
>>63
Nevermind, the issues seem to have resolved themselves within the hour of the new version being uploaded.
More stuff:
To more closely resemble the 2ch look, how about prefixing thread title headers in the main board page with a 【position:postcount】thingie?
And as suggested before, the navigation links on the bottom of individual thread pages should include "Previous 100" (ie, all posts before the first post in the URL) and "Next 100" (ie, all posts after the last post in the URL). Of course, this could get screwy if you're using reverse order and out-of-order posts in the URL, so I dunno how well it could be implemented.
The "First 100" link should also be removed from the bottom of individual thread pages, and there should be a link to to thread-list included below the reply box of each previewed thread on the front page.
Bonus:
Change "Del" links to widget buttons.
In order for the CSS selector not to take over the entire header, how about turning it into a drop-down menu? The same could be done with the Admin functions (appearing only after one correctly inputs the password), placing it on the right side of the board and thread title headers (this would also allow admins the convenience of deleting and permasaging threads from the front-page).
and would something like this work (given that all boards share the same root directory)?
>>>>sup/1129153864/1-100
>>>1129153864/1-100
P.S. When you mentioned serving dynamic pages in >>46, were you referring to individual thread pages? As I mentioned before, it'd be nice to make the front page as dynamic and flexible as thread pages when it comes to viewing options (via PATH_INFO).
>5) Seperation of sage et al from the email field to something else...
This is kinda what I had pushed for earlier in >>52. I think that separating the sage (aka, "don't bump"), fusianasan (aka, "show IP"), and ID:Heaven (aka, "no ID") functions from any particular post elements in the main scripts would be ideal for implementing Kareha in systems where inputting a certain string to trigger these functions is not intuitive (ie, every board outside of the 2ch/Futaba family). These trigger strings (S_DONTBUMP, S_SHOWIP, S_NOID) and their assignment to a certain form field input could be instead implemented individually in each template.
>2) Have the string to sage and fusianasan defined as a constant in config
>3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field
As I mentioned above, this would better work if they could be modified within each template in the list of string variable definitions.
>4) Cookie preferences such as "Don't use expanding textarea" which leaves it small or big.. or another option for that choice as well; an option to not save Name/Email automatically; anything else that is useful?
I like this one, as far as saving name and e-mail inputs go. I occasionally browse 4-ch at school, and it'd be nice for just an option to clear cookies when you're done and don't want anyone else to use your name, e-mail, and deletion password.
What the hell is RENZOKU?
P.S. >>151 is RMS
>>9
I mentioned the option because on highly active boards it's helpful to know which threads will be gone in the next few minutes.
>5) Seperation of sage et al from the email field to something else...
This is kinda what I had pushed for earlier in >>52. I think that separating the sage (aka, "don't bump"), fusianasan (aka, "show IP"), and ID:Heaven (aka, "no ID") functions from any particular post elements in the main scripts would be ideal for implementing Kareha in systems where inputting a certain string to trigger these functions is not intuitive (ie, every board outside of the 2ch/Futaba family). These trigger strings (S_DONTBUMP, S_SHOWIP, S_NOID) and their assignment to a certain form field input could be instead implemented individually in each template.
>2) Have the string to sage and fusianasan defined as a constant in config
>3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field
As I mentioned above, this would better work if they could be modified within each template in the list of string variable definitions.
>4) Cookie preferences such as "Don't use expanding textarea" which leaves it small or big.. or another option for that choice as well; an option to not save Name/Email automatically; anything else that is useful?
I like this one, as far as saving name and e-mail inputs go. I occasionally browse 4-ch at school, and it'd be nice for just an option to clear cookies when you're done and don't want anyone else to use your name, e-mail, and deletion password.
What the hell is RENZOKU?
P.S. >>151 is RMS