The Legendary Next Update (365)

62 Name: test 2005-10-17 04:43 ID:Heaven [Del]

Please put alt tags in image refs, kthnx.

9 Name: test 2005-10-12 20:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)"

I actually don't like that, and think wakaba should no longer use the futaba style of dropping threads by default. Why not use the least-popular option instead? If a thread is in demand, let it live.

107 Name: dhcp125.engglab.ualberta.ca 2005-10-17 17:28 ID:Heaven [Del]

fusianasan + sage test

271 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 16:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

Did you ditch customizable capcodes?

How about placing the Formatting menu to the left or right of the "File: " field? I'd also like to see WakabaMark changed to its real name (Markdown).

A few other considerations:

  • Using "◆" as the default tripkey character.
  • No need for the "Navigation: " text before the navigation links in subpages
  • In Pseud0ch, post numbers should be the same size/format as the rest of the header text
  • I'm still thinking that subback should be as minimal as possible: no navlinks, title, or last post/filesize data. Then again, I'm from the school of following 0ch blindly.
  • Variable admin permissions per password
  • Is the Admin bar gonna come back before the final version?

Small details aside, this is seriously shaping up to be an amazing release. Your efforts are much appreciated, WAHa.

143 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 00:56 ID:Heaven [Del]

The "Entire thread" link in the top navigation bar of the thread page is still broken.

30 Name: !tFiTnDB9dg 2005-10-14 00:56 ID:Heaven [Del]

testing #`¦

279 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 18:05 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>278

How do you figure it's redundant?

30 Name: !tFiTnDB9dg 2005-10-14 00:56 ID:Heaven [Del]

testing #`¦

323 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 18:16 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>321
Wait, why should l50 links be indexed/cached? IMO the only links that should be on Google at all are main pages and "entire thread" links.

Some final points (I hope) before the whole thing is wrapped up:

  • The CSS in the All threads page is unsightly. Is there a way to properly wrap the outer color border(s) around the table of threads?
  • I still say that the "Navigation: " text is extraneous when people can clearly see what the links do. Also still partitioning for 0ch-style error pages (with displayed user host and all).
  • Now that we do have filesize indicators in the backlog page of mode_message, do you still find it useless to have the red bold filesizes near the bottom of thread subpages?
  • Does mode_message now work in PAGE_GENERATION => 'paged'?
  • Idea: forced anonymous/sage/ID/fusianasan by IP/thread/board/whole site (some of these combinations already exist, I know)?
  • Finally, I imagine that the permasage/close/delete functions in kareha.pl will be easily interchangeable among the conditions in post_stuff(). Can you confirm this?

170 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 19:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>165

>There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage".

How about "dontbump" or "nobump"? Using "down" is pretty misleading, since sage doesn't bump a thread up nor down; it just stays in its place until a thread below is bumped.

>>167 orz

In reference WAHa's post in http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127713568/l50

>It's been suggested to change the no-ID-on-email to no-ID-on-sage

That sounds good to me.

68 Name: 61 2005-10-17 07:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/101-101
(First "Next 100" link) does not include >>1 in that thread

There's also some weird bug where the entire browser windowd content goes black, dunno what that is about...

281 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 18:18 ID:Heaven [Del]

<a href="#">Is that true?</a>

321 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-26 09:17 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

About rel=nofollow: What links should have it? Obviously not the "entire thread" link, but the l50 links in the thread list sort of need it, otherwise the search engine will never find them in the first place. But that means the l50 links will end up in the index.

256 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 13:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>255
By replacing it with AN EVEN DUMBER PUN!

155 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 13:42 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>154
Kami! Nice ID.

170 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 19:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>165

>There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage".

How about "dontbump" or "nobump"? Using "down" is pretty misleading, since sage doesn't bump a thread up nor down; it just stays in its place until a thread below is bumped.

>>167 orz

In reference WAHa's post in http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127713568/l50

>It's been suggested to change the no-ID-on-email to no-ID-on-sage

That sounds good to me.

98 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:26 ID:Heaven [Del]

Also, wouldn't making capcodes even more prevalent be considered A Bad Thing®? If anything, the role of capcodes should be minimized or altogether eradicated, in favor of ninja moderation.

Another question: would FUDGE_BLOCKQUOTES be considered deprecated by now, or are there still CSS styles out there that require it?

141 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-18 20:42 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Also, I couldn't be arsed to fix Amber, since it was just a joke in the first place.

Booo!

> who here finds enough use in the auto-expanding comment box to justify the annoyances when you click in or out of it?

I love that feature. Please don't remove it!

> I think the drop-in Style capability is fantastic-- but it just doesn't seem to play nice with the current 2ch page design.

plz 2 be keeping that feature too

340 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 08:57 ID:Heaven (Image: 1010x554 png, 80 kb) [Del]

src/1130425040482.png: 1010x554, 80 kb

>>336
IMO minimalist web applications like Kareha should only focus on core content/functionality and leave the inconsequential presentation options up to browser extensions so that each user can tweak them to his whim. That's why I was pushing to offload the CSS selector to an extension.

>>337
Here's a better example, I think. Even if we can't remove the excessive side borders, is there a way to at least have rounded corners?

On formatting options: I think >>338 fails to understand that leaving the formatting options up to each individual user is a good thing by all means. Besides, they are absolutely necessary to the interface and core functionality, just like the Name and URL fields are. Preview functionality, on the other hand, should be implemented in an extension.

I think the issue that people have with the formatting options is that we don't have a Japanese counterpart to blindly model it after. Since we're going at this on our own, nobody is quite sure how it should be done. I'd like to see how it turns out on mode_image (if you feel the need to include it at all). :)

85 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 12:26 ID:1l2MEdqn [Del]

I'll sign that partition for a separate admin script and XHTML interface (one that includes the banning, board nuking, and spamlist-changing functions in Wakaba).

How about adding flexibility to the DELETE_FIRST option in config.pl, using booleans to define when to keep or remove a thread (including AND/OR/NOT arguments)?

Also, options for both automated permasaging and pruning by postcount, creation date/time, and board position (all configurable in config.pl of course).

Some other layout points:

  • The Title field should go above the Name and Link fields in 2ch mode.
  • 2ch's "new thread" post box is at the bottom of the main page. From every practical standpoint, the current solution in Kareha is a lot more convenient, but you may want to go over that just in case.
  • Futaba now uses "..." instead of ">>>" to prefix repy blocks.

258 Name:   2005-10-22 14:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

Maybe. I just picked something at random.

247 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 12:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

Why would there be any use in writing actual HTML in posts? Seems to me like it's just inviting abuse.

79 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 09:16 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>n74,76

It's good for referencing replies, too.

The "always show the first post" behaviour is sort of confusing at first. It seems more intrusive than useful.

259 Name: coda 2005-10-22 15:01 ID:1jzeBBcT [Del]

the text

c < d

causes a <d> tag to be opened, which is not on the list, and therefore all the text until the next tag will be deleted. a better behavior in this case would be to just convert that < to &lt;. you even ought to do this for

a < b

too, despite the fact that b is a valid tag, because who the hell leaves the closing angle bracket out of their HTML tag?

creating the correct regexes for this is an exercise left to the reader.

53 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 01:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>48-50
First of all, I don't believe it would make bumps more valuable in any way. People bump threads all the time with worthless replies since most don't even know what "sage" is or means or what it is good for. They will simply continue to do this, no matter whether the sage function is changed in this way.

Even at this stage, years after its introduction to a major western userbase, people are still clueless about the main basic functions of image- and discussionboards in the Futaba/0ch style. There are some signs of improvement, but they are rare.
I doubt people would be willing or eager to learn a new, different behaviour at this point in time.

The only real change is what >>50 points out (though I want to mention that even that point is mostly misunderstood: if people want to protest against a certain thread, they should post as many sage posts as it needs to get permasaged (although it's arguably counterproductive, considering the default prune behaviour of imgboards). If threads are still bumpable and trolls find that they have been flamed with a sage, they will just bump it once more). And I don't think that's enough to justify a pretty major function change.

57 Name:   2005-10-16 21:11 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

All right, a beta version with some new features is now installed for this board. It implements a couple of bug fixes, and navigational and 2ch-style improvements suggested in this thread. Try it out, and complain about stuff that doesn't work or doesn't make sense.

I also put in customizable capcodes now. You can define a string of arbitary HTML for the capcode, so you can put whatever kind of fagginess you want in there! Hooray! Try this out by posting with #test.

The good old test thread is still here: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/

294 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 20:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I don't see a big fat ugly WakabaMark FAQ next to the post form either.

You don't see the link to the WakabaMark page either?

> I am just guessing here, but I am pretty sure most people will only change their settings in very rare cases.

I just added the Text Art mode so that people could post AA on any board and have it work right, but the only way for that to work is if you can quickly change modes between posts.

Look, it's getting just a tiny bit annoying with the complaining. I've been putting a huge amount of effort into making this work well both for those who want markup and those who don't. If you don't like it, you turn it off and don't need to bother with it again. There's just a tiny little link there to let people do this. Is this really a such a huge bother to deal with? It's *two words*.

125 Name:   2005-10-18 07:50 ID:ReFmOAs0 [Del]

>>123

Noted. I've been struggling with that same problem for naming things internally in the code, and obviously it distracted me from noticing the same problem in the GUI.

186 Name:   2005-10-20 10:07 ID:Heaven [Del]

No, but that's not the point.

101 Name: sjcd-dmzweb-ce8.cisco.com 2005-10-17 15:04 ID:95ZECAi3 [Del]

sup

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