The Legendary Next Update (365)
133 Name: c-24-91-21-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net 2005-10-18 17:36 ID:z/kxsMjQ
test2. looks good!
46 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 21:01 ID:Heaven
> You mean requiring SQL software, or just making backwards-incompatible changes that would screw up old threads?
I mean, needing to alter the table that is already in the database. I don't want to try to do that any more than I have to, as it's pretty hard to get right in a database-independent manner.
> Are you only referring to flooding and spamming, or also trolls and flamewars?
Yes, only flooding and spamming. Trolling and flamewars are not a problem one should use banning to try and solve.
> Finally, out of curiosity: how much of the functionality in the .js file do you think could be properly implemented into a new or existing perl script?
Well, if you serve up dynamic pages, you can do the form-filling on the server, but that's about it. The rest is dynamic stuff.
349 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 17:20 ID:Heaven
GDLib for thumbnails: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1113869490/5
177 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 02:33 ID:Heaven
What does Thorn have to do with Kareha? Thorn's counterpart is Wakaba.
Anyway, the version of Shiichan on world4ch is bust. It's not a case of feature versus feature here, Shiichan simply doesn't work. It's not worth comparing until it doesn't break regularly.
If Shii were still working on it might be different, but Shiichan is effectively a dead project which incidentally has a closed and broken version working on world4ch.
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2005-10-20 11:11 ID:Heaven
Also, for multiple board installations, use symlinks to allow you to keep just one installation of the main code files.
308 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 15:37 ID:hjzD4Li4
Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba? Currently when you click the link it just reloads the page with a different highlight, which is not all that helpful.
357 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-31 11:19 ID:Heaven
>>354
admin.pl with a separate HTML page in ./admin (so it can be accessed simply by appending "/admin" to the board URL). It should have every possible admin feature available in kareha.pl, including rebuilding caches, modifying the spamlist, and nuking the board.
168 Name: 2005-10-19 19:00 ID:gBva8ggI
> (albeit edge cases)
Which is the crux of the matter - it mostly doesn't matter to the vast majority of users.
> You still end up with no way to link the fusianasan post with the name/trip one without IDs enabled (unless the ID method is known and no secret data is used).
You can use fusianasan with a tripcode, at least on Kareha. I suspect you can on 0ch too, but I haven't checked.
66 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 06:43 ID:MhkvoqyU
/-100 shows the first post two times.
112 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 20:40 ID:UAOHJNRy
>>108
fusianasan is a voluntary function to show identity without having to memorize a tripcode. Works on all boards. Reveals your IP, of course...
Another feature I'd like is keyboard shortcuts like Wikipedia. Although you'd have to avoid stuff like Alt-D.
75 Name: 74 2005-10-17 08:41 ID:Heaven
> 2channel does not do this either by default. It can make browsing a bit more convenient (and I suspect dedicated 2channel browsers to insert & read these in some kind of standardized way) but I don't think that's reason enough to impose it on users by default.
whoops, I misread "postcount" as "posticon". Nevermind!
71 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:18 ID:Heaven
>>63
Nevermind, the issues seem to have resolved themselves within the hour of the new version being uploaded.
More stuff:
To more closely resemble the 2ch look, how about prefixing thread title headers in the main board page with a 【position:postcount】thingie?
And as suggested before, the navigation links on the bottom of individual thread pages should include "Previous 100" (ie, all posts before the first post in the URL) and "Next 100" (ie, all posts after the last post in the URL). Of course, this could get screwy if you're using reverse order and out-of-order posts in the URL, so I dunno how well it could be implemented.
The "First 100" link should also be removed from the bottom of individual thread pages, and there should be a link to to thread-list included below the reply box of each previewed thread on the front page.
Bonus:
Change "Del" links to widget buttons.
In order for the CSS selector not to take over the entire header, how about turning it into a drop-down menu? The same could be done with the Admin functions (appearing only after one correctly inputs the password), placing it on the right side of the board and thread title headers (this would also allow admins the convenience of deleting and permasaging threads from the front-page).
and would something like this work (given that all boards share the same root directory)?
>>>>sup/1129153864/1-100
>>>1129153864/1-100
P.S. When you mentioned serving dynamic pages in >>46, were you referring to individual thread pages? As I mentioned before, it'd be nice to make the front page as dynamic and flexible as thread pages when it comes to viewing options (via PATH_INFO).
161 Name: 148 2005-10-19 16:30 ID:0dCD+kFU
RENZOKU are the flood detection things... even if they are useless MAX_POSTS_PER_MINUTE makes a lot more sense than RENZOKU2
3) was about a string to trigger ID:Heaven, not a constant for the Heaven part (which is already configurable)
Re: email/link field
Just because it works one way on 2ch/whatever does not mean it is the best way. Having 'fusianasan' as the only way to trigger the effect is just narrow-minded. Functions should have descriptive names to the people using them; should we keep the field names in Japanese because the Japanese have them in Japanese? Having all of the applicable things configurable is something that makes sense, and you can easily have both 'fusianasan' and 'show_ip' that work at the same time. Frankly, the combinations of many things into unrelated fields is a design flaw. What if you want to use a name/trip and fusianasan? What if your email address contains the string 'sage'? What if you want to sage a thread, but have an ID still?
I think the confusion of existing users is worth reducing the learning curve and improving the intuitiveness.
I'm not saying that the default behaviour needs to change, but being able to easily configure the strings used allows for easier localization.
I probably misspelled fusianasan too, why should I have to remember something so foreign?
310 Name: 309 : 2005-10-24 15:51 ID:Heaven
And my post ist a good example for chosing the wrong markup :/
213 Name: 2005-10-21 14:44 ID:Heaven
> More information on the all threads page, date of the last post? file size?
That might be somewhat useful, I suppose. I'll have a look at it.
> A quote button that puts >>n and puts the post prefixed by > in the reply box
There's already a way to put in >>n. However, quoting an entire post is seldom something you want to do anyway, so I don't think that's worth cluttering up the page with a million buttons for.
> Different secret strings for different functions (e.g. one for ID generation and one for secure tripcodes)
Most admins probably don't get point of the secret string anyway, and asking them to put in several is just too annoying. In retrospect, I'd like to add a second layer of hashing to these, but that'd mean breaking secure trips AGAIN.
> A trigger for turning wakabamark off and one for forcing a monospace font
I've been trying to work out a more elegant solution for this.
95 Name: 2005-10-17 14:09 ID:gBva8ggI
Also, I forgot to mention: fusianasan works now! Put it in as your name to test it!
145 Name: 2005-10-19 04:10 ID:gBva8ggI
So, does that mean you approve of removing the style selector on subpages? I just woke up and I'm confused.
Anyway, Safari doesn't, as far as I know, let you pick stylesheets. And IE obviously doesn't. Also, not even Firefox will actually remember your choice, making the ability completely useless anyway, unless coupled with Javascript on the page to save the setting.
> The Futaba template is missing the "No File" checkbox next to the File field in the Post New Thread area.
That's because Kareha has no "No File" check in the first place, and I'm not sure I want to add code just for that (since it'd have to be optional anyway).
325 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 18:47 ID:Heaven
>>324
I've heard they use it on a per-IP basis for troublesome posters on 2ch. It could also discourage people from being jisakujien (supposing ID is disabled) or posting in a certain thread unless they're totally willing to have their host revealed.
300 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 23:06 ID:Heaven
Seconded. This'll go a long way to resolving headaches with WakabaMark and SJIS art, and there really isn't anything egregious about its current implementation into the mode_message template (nothing compared to putting it in a separate area, for example)
Going back to the CSS selector: since switching styles is not inherently supported in all browser GUIs, how about having a third party create extensions for those browsers and freeing up the real estate on the actual page? The selector to me seems out of place with the rest of the layout, simply because it's only there for the purpose of presentation, not the actual page content. How many people out there change styles from board defaults on a regular basis because of readability preferences?
276 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 17:40 ID:Heaven
>>275
Heh, I thought you had disabled it manually.
>The File field is almost never there.
Right, and when it isn't, the Formatting menu can still reside on the same line.
The error page in mode_message should more closely resemble that of 0ch (complete with "ERROR!" title).