The Legendary Next Update (365)
154 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 13:28 ID:1l2MEdqn
>5) Seperation of sage et al from the email field to something else...
This is kinda what I had pushed for earlier in >>52. I think that separating the sage (aka, "don't bump"), fusianasan (aka, "show IP"), and ID:Heaven (aka, "no ID") functions from any particular post elements in the main scripts would be ideal for implementing Kareha in systems where inputting a certain string to trigger these functions is not intuitive (ie, every board outside of the 2ch/Futaba family). These trigger strings (S_DONTBUMP, S_SHOWIP, S_NOID) and their assignment to a certain form field input could be instead implemented individually in each template.
>2) Have the string to sage and fusianasan defined as a constant in config
>3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field
As I mentioned above, this would better work if they could be modified within each template in the list of string variable definitions.
>4) Cookie preferences such as "Don't use expanding textarea" which leaves it small or big.. or another option for that choice as well; an option to not save Name/Email automatically; anything else that is useful?
I like this one, as far as saving name and e-mail inputs go. I occasionally browse 4-ch at school, and it'd be nice for just an option to clear cookies when you're done and don't want anyone else to use your name, e-mail, and deletion password.
What the hell is RENZOKU?
P.S. >>151 is RMS
44 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 16:33 ID:Heaven
Uh, kind of a bug. I really should fix it, but, lazy.
308 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 15:37 ID:hjzD4Li4
Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba? Currently when you click the link it just reloads the page with a different highlight, which is not all that helpful.
331 Name: 329 : 2005-10-26 20:03 ID:Heaven
While we're on that note, can there be a config.pl option to toggle between opening file attachments in a new window or in the current window?
242 Name: &height=16)
2005-10-22 10:53 ID:Heaven
Here's a fun little game for you all!
I'm looking into adding support for using HTML markup in addition to WakabaMark, but since most boards use XHTML, I can't just let through any old HTML, and most people can't write well-formed XHTML. Also, I don't want any cross-site scripting going on. So I've tried to write a piece of code that takes any horribly written piece of HTML, sanitizes it by removing all tags and attributes that are not an approved list, checks the attribute values, and turns it into well-formed XML.
Now I'd like to see if anyone can break this. The objective is to get some Javascript onto the page, or making the page break in Firefox (or any other browser that parses XML strictly), or otherwise causing trouble. Have at it!
333 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 20:33 ID:y5Ya7L3/
>>327-328
All of this would be better handled by an external application. I think you are putting way too much work into user gimmicks as it is.
More options means putting more buttons, links, etc. into the interface. I am still bothered by the "More options...", but I am just a text purist (doing my fair share of AA, though) anyway, so meh meh... ( ´･ω･｀)
79 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 09:16 ID:Heaven
>>n74,76
It's good for referencing replies, too.
The "always show the first post" behaviour is sort of confusing at first. It seems more intrusive than useful.
248 Name: 214 2005-10-22 12:23 ID:Heaven
It's also more markup when even the existing one isn't working as well as it should.
189 Name: 2005-10-20 11:10 ID:Heaven
> Another topic: since dynamic pages eat up CPU in order to rebuild pages according to URL parameters, what would be the likelihood of the current dynamic thread subpages having a significantly adverse effect in this aspect if a board were to grow to 2ch-sized proportions?
The effect would be miniscule in comparison to the huge increase in bandwidth that would result from sending the entire static thread pages.
The "entire thread" link can easily be changes to link to the files in /res/ instead of going through the script, but that would make it somewhat less convenient when you want to consturct custom URLs, so I haven't done it.
> Also, let's put out a partition to kill secure tripcodes (unless they originated from 0ch/Futaba)
Why? Even if 0ch or Futaba implemented secure tripcodes, you wouldn't get the same secure tripcode there as on another board. That's the nature of the security.
> captcha (until we find a way to implement similar functionality without requiring it in the form of a GIF/PNG image)
That's even more non-sensical. Nobody on the entire internet has figured out a reasonable way to implement captcha except by using images, and the only boards that use them are image boards where you have to load images anyway. And finally, they aren't just there to annoy you, people do actually try to flood boards, and they are stopped by the captcha.
> And is there any practical way that Kareha can be modified to run multiple (even nested) boards in a single installation?
Not without doing a lot of changes throughout the code, and not without breaking current installations.
311 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-24 17:24 ID:Heaven
> Why not make None or Text Art the default?
Because >>309. I don't want to implement half of WakabaMark for the None mode, and without it you don't get stuff like quote highlighting.
> Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba?
Er, that is exactly how Wakaba works right now? And Kareha can't change the contents of posts dynamically, so it'll never do it.
246 Name: 2005-10-22 10:57 ID:Heaven
Er, that's a feature, not a bug. That's how most GUIs act.
177 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 02:33 ID:Heaven
What does Thorn have to do with Kareha? Thorn's counterpart is Wakaba.
Anyway, the version of Shiichan on world4ch is bust. It's not a case of feature versus feature here, Shiichan simply doesn't work. It's not worth comparing until it doesn't break regularly.
If Shii were still working on it might be different, but Shiichan is effectively a dead project which incidentally has a closed and broken version working on world4ch.
288 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:30 ID:Heaven
0ch's error page provides a link to return to the board from which the error originated, which I think is pretty reasonable. Sometimes I think the navigation bar and CSS selector are used somewhat excessively in mode_message (though the latter's presence has been diminished significantly throughout the course of this thread).
122 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 06:32 ID:Heaven
About the etyomology of "fusianasan":
http://4-ch.net/nihongo/kareha.pl/1102656968/224-
5 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-12 17:15 ID:Heaven
Additionally, I'd like WakabaMark to be fixed somehow.
I don't know how, though. You know my resentments.
Finally, thanks for your fine work throughout all this time.
It is appreciated!
258 Name: 2005-10-22 14:47 ID:Heaven
Maybe. I just picked something at random.
92 Name: anon!21anon4H3U 2005-10-17 14:00 ID:Heaven
This my just be me, but I'd like a link to the entire thread in karaha at the top of threads.
139 Name: 2005-10-18 20:03 ID:gBva8ggI
You can't document easter eggs! That's crazy talk!
Also, I find it insanely more annoying to write text in five-line tunnel vision than whatever annoyance might be caused by a comment box that expands.
143 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 00:56 ID:Heaven
The "Entire thread" link in the top navigation bar of the thread page is still broken.
320 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-25 20:17 ID:Heaven
And maybe this: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1126586277/5
202 Name: 2005-10-20 19:06 ID:Heaven
Yeah, no, maybe. Using secure trips for capcodes also adds extra protections against accidentially misspellingyour capcode and leaving it open to attack.
146 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 07:04 ID:Heaven
>does that mean you approve of removing the style selector on subpages?
I was referring to the entire board, but as you later explained, it seems it can never be removed completely. Though removing it from subpages wouldn't be a bad idea I guess.
>Kareha has no "No File" check in the first place
That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?
Other: Have you considered multi-page links with intervals of 100 posts at the top of subpages (ie, 1-, 101-, 201-)? Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?
Something else to consider: separating the board description/rules template from the board- or site-wide announcements. Check out http://0ch.mine.nu/test/read.cgi/jikken/1120050851 to see what I mean.
158 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 14:19 ID:Heaven
> They can modify it an claim copyright on their modifications, at least as long as they're significant enough, but that doesn't affect existing works in the public domain.
Devil's advocate: What if they make significant changes you would want to add yourself? before you do? Can they then tell you to stop if they license their work first?
149 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 08:31 ID:Heaven
> 3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field
Isn't that already an option in the config?
> 5) Seperation of sage et al from the email field to something else...
Strong oppose! I am of the (strong! lol) opinion that the current situation is the one working the best and also that it is widely accepted on almost all similiar board scripts (save for Shiichan and one obscure Japanese discussion board script that I once stumbled upon).
Previous discussion of this can be found here:
http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1102984488/
79 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 09:16 ID:Heaven
>>n74,76
It's good for referencing replies, too.
The "always show the first post" behaviour is sort of confusing at first. It seems more intrusive than useful.
196 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 12:51 ID:tlSRz7E3
>The effect would be miniscule in comparison to the huge increase in bandwidth that would result from sending the entire static thread pages.
How about a config.pl parameter to split up thread subpages into X posts per page? The navigation links already use 100 posts per page for practically everything except "Last 50 posts".
Hmm, I just remembered: >> links would not work at all with static pages. Not good.
>Why? Even if 0ch or Futaba implemented secure tripcodes, you wouldn't get the same secure tripcode there as on another board. That's the nature of the security.
Right, I guess it was dumb to mention 0ch/Futaba in the first place. The point is, as you said yourself, tripcodes are a gimmick, and if someone wants to maintain a persistent identity across multiple boards and sites (ie, everyone here with a tripcode), they have no choice but to use ordinary tripcodes. Secure tripcodes are useless because they limit your identity to a single board, supposing each board/site's cipher key is different -- which it should be, since that's the point of having a secure tripcode in the first place. No one should be so paranoid about a tripcode that they'd need to have a different one per board/site.
>Not without doing a lot of changes throughout the code, and not without breaking current installations.
Shouldn't we sacrifice some backwards compatibility for a more robust and scalable design? It might even be possible to provide an upgrade.pl for old threads.
>You could only trigger the functions in a specific format, say...
That's a cool idea, though for now it would have to be left alone if we want to keep Kareha compatible with 2ch/Futaba conventions.
>>195
Exactly. The methods and the effects of saging a thread are separate subjects.
P.S. I recently discovered "rXX-XX" for threads in /soc/. How exactly does this work? From the sound of it, it's supposed to randomize the post order, but when I hit refresh I get the same order.