The Legendary Next Update (365)
146 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 07:04 ID:Heaven
>does that mean you approve of removing the style selector on subpages?
I was referring to the entire board, but as you later explained, it seems it can never be removed completely. Though removing it from subpages wouldn't be a bad idea I guess.
>Kareha has no "No File" check in the first place
That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?
Other: Have you considered multi-page links with intervals of 100 posts at the top of subpages (ie, 1-, 101-, 201-)? Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?
Something else to consider: separating the board description/rules template from the board- or site-wide announcements. Check out http://0ch.mine.nu/test/read.cgi/jikken/1120050851 to see what I mean.
74 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:29 ID:Heaven
> To more closely resemble the 2ch look, how about prefixing thread title headers in the main board page with a 【position:postcount】thingie?
2channel does not do this either by default. It can make browsing a bit more convenient (and I suspect dedicated 2channel browsers to insert & read these in some kind of standardized way) but I don't think that's reason enough to impose it on users by default.
> Of course, this could get screwy if you're using reverse order and out-of-order posts in the URL, so I dunno how well it could be implemented.
Personally, I find the reverse order listing, as well as the random order listing, to be a bit silly & useless. The only useful bonus feature here seems to be the comma range seperator, but it seems even in that case there is not much benefit to it (saves 1-3 links in the average case that it is needed, which is rare to begin with).
> The "First 100" link should also be removed from the bottom of individual thread pages, and there should be a link to to thread-list included below the reply box of each previewed thread on the front page.
signed
> In order for the CSS selector not to take over the entire header, how about turning it into a drop-down menu?
This was proposed before (long time ago) and it is hereby also signed.
> and would something like this work (given that all boards share the same root directory)?
That's a tricky bit and I think it was decided against because it would be too much work to properly maintain such a function at the time when 4chan implemented it.
92 Name: anon!21anon4H3U 2005-10-17 14:00 ID:Heaven
This my just be me, but I'd like a link to the entire thread in karaha at the top of threads.
86 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 12:33 ID:Heaven
> The Title field should go above the Name and Link fields in 2ch mode.
Why should it?
> From every practical standpoint, the current solution in Kareha is a lot more convenient
It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.
> Futaba now uses "..." instead of ">>>" to prefix repy blocks.
Any idea why?
307 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2005-10-24 15:21 ID:Heaven
> It's a link, it screams "Click me!".
There's something to be said about obsessive-compulsive... >.>;
74 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:29 ID:Heaven
> To more closely resemble the 2ch look, how about prefixing thread title headers in the main board page with a 【position:postcount】thingie?
2channel does not do this either by default. It can make browsing a bit more convenient (and I suspect dedicated 2channel browsers to insert & read these in some kind of standardized way) but I don't think that's reason enough to impose it on users by default.
> Of course, this could get screwy if you're using reverse order and out-of-order posts in the URL, so I dunno how well it could be implemented.
Personally, I find the reverse order listing, as well as the random order listing, to be a bit silly & useless. The only useful bonus feature here seems to be the comma range seperator, but it seems even in that case there is not much benefit to it (saves 1-3 links in the average case that it is needed, which is rare to begin with).
> The "First 100" link should also be removed from the bottom of individual thread pages, and there should be a link to to thread-list included below the reply box of each previewed thread on the front page.
signed
> In order for the CSS selector not to take over the entire header, how about turning it into a drop-down menu?
This was proposed before (long time ago) and it is hereby also signed.
> and would something like this work (given that all boards share the same root directory)?
That's a tricky bit and I think it was decided against because it would be too much work to properly maintain such a function at the time when 4chan implemented it.
264 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 18:51 ID:Heaven
Random post: The test thread could use some linking in the notes at the bottom (what's the common nomenclature for that one?).
334 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 20:38 ID:y5Ya7L3/
Suggestion / Request
Making "More options..." an option in the configs.
Seems sensible, when you already have the ability to turn off WakabaMark as a board admin. Also, it will make me stop whining (a bit).
30 Name: !tFiTnDB9dg 2005-10-14 00:56 ID:Heaven
testing #`¦
246 Name: &height=16)
2005-10-22 10:57 ID:Heaven
Er, that's a feature, not a bug. That's how most GUIs act.
222 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 16:19 ID:Heaven
>>220
I meant only using the extra post for autoclose situations where the thread has exceeded the defined postcount limit in config.pl. As for the implementation, couldn't you just have Kareha use post_stuff() and (somehow) replace the timestamp with "Over XXXX Thread"?
71 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:18 ID:Heaven
>>63
Nevermind, the issues seem to have resolved themselves within the hour of the new version being uploaded.
More stuff:
To more closely resemble the 2ch look, how about prefixing thread title headers in the main board page with a 【position:postcount】thingie?
And as suggested before, the navigation links on the bottom of individual thread pages should include "Previous 100" (ie, all posts before the first post in the URL) and "Next 100" (ie, all posts after the last post in the URL). Of course, this could get screwy if you're using reverse order and out-of-order posts in the URL, so I dunno how well it could be implemented.
The "First 100" link should also be removed from the bottom of individual thread pages, and there should be a link to to thread-list included below the reply box of each previewed thread on the front page.
Bonus:
Change "Del" links to widget buttons.
In order for the CSS selector not to take over the entire header, how about turning it into a drop-down menu? The same could be done with the Admin functions (appearing only after one correctly inputs the password), placing it on the right side of the board and thread title headers (this would also allow admins the convenience of deleting and permasaging threads from the front-page).
and would something like this work (given that all boards share the same root directory)?
>>>>sup/1129153864/1-100
>>>1129153864/1-100
P.S. When you mentioned serving dynamic pages in >>46, were you referring to individual thread pages? As I mentioned before, it'd be nice to make the front page as dynamic and flexible as thread pages when it comes to viewing options (via PATH_INFO).
273 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 16:34 ID:Heaven
Oh, and "AA mode" should be changed to "Text art mode" so we won't be incessantly quibbling about the difference between ASCII and SJIS art.
265 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 14:24 ID:Heaven
All right, code updated again. This time, some experimenting! I've implemented a tentative system for changing markup types. This needs a bunch of testing, of course, so here's the test thread link once again: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/
Thoughts and comments are welcome. I'm still trying to figure out how exactly to do this.
There's a bunch of other changes and fixes too, so mention if anything breaks, as usual. Also, shift-reload!
85 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 12:26 ID:1l2MEdqn
I'll sign that partition for a separate admin script and XHTML interface (one that includes the banning, board nuking, and spamlist-changing functions in Wakaba).
How about adding flexibility to the DELETE_FIRST option in config.pl, using booleans to define when to keep or remove a thread (including AND/OR/NOT arguments)?
Also, options for both automated permasaging and pruning by postcount, creation date/time, and board position (all configurable in config.pl of course).
Some other layout points:
- The Title field should go above the Name and Link fields in 2ch mode.
- 2ch's "new thread" post box is at the bottom of the main page. From every practical standpoint, the current solution in Kareha is a lot more convenient, but you may want to go over that just in case.
- Futaba now uses "..." instead of ">>>" to prefix repy blocks.
37 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 13:32 ID:Heaven
Oops, forgot to link the first point to my original thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127326007
Oh, and see if dmpk2k is willing to port over the proxy detection and load-balancing/distributed server cluster functions to Kareha. Those would be neat.
219 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 15:25 ID:Heaven
>>216
I remember at least one or two boards on 2ch that used it, though I can't remember which (moon language and such, you see).
I apologize for the dumb question I made at the end of >>218. I forgot that Kareha permasages (not closes) a thread after the limit is exceeded, so there's no need for a hypothetical 1001th post anyway! orz
100 Name: 2005-10-17 14:52 ID:gBva8ggI
Well, that's what I've said from the start, but people keep requesting them.
FUDGE_BLOCKQUOTES is used by the Futaba style, and I guess I just want to keep it there to make it compatible with Futallaby-style CSS files.
89 Name: 2005-10-17 13:10 ID:gBva8ggI
> Also, I'd like to ask exactly how Kareha does automatically generates deletion passwords. I'm guessing it's similar if not identical to how it creates ID session codes with a user's IP.
Actually, no, the Javascript just strings some random numbers and letters together.
> Because it's one of the two requirements for creating a new thread, and it's a lot more important to have a well-defined topic than to fill in your name.
But the body text is even more important, and that goes at the bottom. So I dunno.
>It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.
Would it maybe make sense to make a separate thread creation page?
38 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 13:56 ID:Heaven
> Thorough search functionality a-la notchan, using PATH_INFO. This might not be possible without implementing a per-post metadata system though.
I think this not something that needs to be part of the software itself.
Besides, Google mostly provides that function just fine with site:blahblahblah.com blah
Also, what is "user deletion"?
213 Name: 2005-10-21 14:44 ID:Heaven
> More information on the all threads page, date of the last post? file size?
That might be somewhat useful, I suppose. I'll have a look at it.
> A quote button that puts >>n and puts the post prefixed by > in the reply box
There's already a way to put in >>n. However, quoting an entire post is seldom something you want to do anyway, so I don't think that's worth cluttering up the page with a million buttons for.
> Different secret strings for different functions (e.g. one for ID generation and one for secure tripcodes)
Most admins probably don't get point of the secret string anyway, and asking them to put in several is just too annoying. In retrospect, I'd like to add a second layer of hashing to these, but that'd mean breaking secure trips AGAIN.
> A trigger for turning wakabamark off and one for forcing a monospace font
I've been trying to work out a more elegant solution for this.