The Legendary Next Update (365)
204 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 22:43 ID:Heaven
> the entire server occasionally breaks
Occasionally?
Well, that might be it, except that on world4ch at least one board breaks every week, if not more. Incidentally, as of this writing, 4chan's /dis/ and /sug/ are also toast (third time this month?).
As it is, I can't recall ever seeing kareha break.
205 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 03:15 ID:Heaven
If we must discuss Shiichan's bug (which I believe we don't): I like the one where it sometimes turns an existing thread at the end of the All thread list into a thread with no subject, creation date set as 31 Dec 1969: 19:00 and then set to -1 posts (!) - and when you post in it, you 0GET and your IP appears as the subject.
It's a brilliant, better than fusianasan! Try it out: http://dis.4chan.org/read.php/dis/1121735647/
35 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 13:11 ID:gBva8ggI
Well, a lot of machines run on x86 these days, so that covers a lot of it. And you could pre-compile for a couple of other architectures, and have it pretty much covered. Linux and unixes in general make it ridiculously hard to distribute binaries, as opposed to Windows or Mac OS, but it's still possible with a bit of trickery. Avoiding dynamic libraries helps a lot.
56 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 12:26 ID:Heaven
>>55
I'm not complaining about the current system, just throwing around some new ideas for a change (instead of blindly following whatever new thing comes along on 2ch).
314 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 19:40 ID:0dCD+kFU
I vote yes, but that is obvious isn't it?
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2005-10-22 10:57 ID:Heaven
Er, that's a feature, not a bug. That's how most GUIs act.
181 Name: 2005-10-20 06:39 ID:ReFmOAs0
The one with encoded Javascript that makes you post with fusianasan is cute.
172 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 01:54 ID:Heaven
> Better to have a tick-box and explain to people why it is useful. Or an option for it.
Yes, an option. Because I think a tickbox is horrible.
This is a widely used system. There is a very low learning curve here. sage = does not bump thread when replying, that's all there is to know. People can then figure out why it is useful on their own.
And personally, I think sageing should be encouraged more (since the perceptions on it have been pretty much ruined by 4chan). So it helps that it stays in the E-Mail/Link field instead of being purged from the tickbox each time like Shiichan does (interestingly, 4chan's Futallaby does also purge "sage" if written in all minor letters).
142 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 22:44 ID:Heaven
The Futaba template is missing the "No File" checkbox next to the File field in the Post New Thread area.
199 Name: 2005-10-20 18:25 ID:Heaven
> Right, I guess it was dumb to mention 0ch/Futaba in the first place. The point is, as you said yourself, tripcodes are a gimmick, and if someone wants to maintain a persistent identity across multiple boards and sites (ie, everyone here with a tripcode), they have no choice but to use ordinary tripcodes. Secure tripcodes are useless because they limit your identity to a single board, supposing each board/site's cipher key is different -- which it should be, since that's the point of having a secure tripcode in the first place. No one should be so paranoid about a tripcode that they'd need to have a different one per board/site.
True, they're of limited usefulness, but people like admins might prefer to use them. And there are certain cases were you might use them temporarily for various purposes. I wrote the code already, so I might as well leave it in. It has some uses at least.
> Shouldn't we sacrifice some backwards compatibility for a more robust and scalable design? It might even be possible to provide an upgrade.pl for old threads.
I think I'm too lazy to do it. It's kind of hairy. Besides, as I said, you can remove a lot of the drawbacks of seprate installations by using symlinks.
335 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 21:19 ID:Heaven
These kind of things are not very difficult to remove from the template if they truly bother you.
329 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 20:01 ID:Heaven
>You need to explain what you're talking about before I can do anything about that.?
See attached screenshot. It's in every style but Pseud0ch.
>No. I'm too lazy to figure what that's supposed to do, and I don't think anybody actually wants to use that in the first place.
Well the functionality is already in kareha.pl, right? All you need is some modifications to the mode_message template. You can check out the 2ch-like boards on Futaba for reference, though I'm pretty sure I've seen other 2ch-like boards that implement multi-paged functionality with a different layout. Personally, it isn't all that big a deal if it's just a template issue though.
>There's no database to keep IP data in, and I'd prefer to keep the script completely agnostic to IP addresses.
No need for a database, just a text file. You're right about storing IPs, though, but then how can you implement a banning system? Do you use an encrypted IP like the algorithm to generate ID codes?
>No, because I don't know what you mean.
I mean that (for example) if I wanted to replace the permasaging function under the MAX_POSTS condition (permasage after X posts) with the thread-closing function (close after X posts), all it would require is a simple replacement of the proper function references in post_stuff(), correct?
>(optional) preview page
Excessive, methinks.
>Is there a reason why the post box is so small and pushed to the side?
Because mode_message is modeled after the 0ch layout. To compensate for the smallness, it expands automatically when you click inside it.
>Forced fusianasan would be fine I think, if they had advanced warning.
This can be easily done manually with rules.html
118 Name: 2005-10-18 04:21 ID:Heaven
Apparently it's not Japanese, because it's supposed to be pronounced as an English word. I have no clue, though.
79 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 09:16 ID:Heaven
>>n74,76
It's good for referencing replies, too.
The "always show the first post" behaviour is sort of confusing at first. It seems more intrusive than useful.
170 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 19:23 ID:Heaven
>There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage".
How about "dontbump" or "nobump"? Using "down" is pretty misleading, since sage doesn't bump a thread up nor down; it just stays in its place until a thread below is bumped.
>>167 orz
In reference WAHa's post in http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127713568/l50
>It's been suggested to change the no-ID-on-email to no-ID-on-sage
That sounds good to me.
226 Name: 2005-10-21 17:12 ID:Heaven
That would be a bother too.
186 Name: 2005-10-20 10:07 ID:Heaven
No, but that's not the point.
349 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 17:20 ID:Heaven
GDLib for thumbnails: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1113869490/5
35 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 13:11 ID:gBva8ggI
Well, a lot of machines run on x86 these days, so that covers a lot of it. And you could pre-compile for a couple of other architectures, and have it pretty much covered. Linux and unixes in general make it ridiculously hard to distribute binaries, as opposed to Windows or Mac OS, but it's still possible with a bit of trickery. Avoiding dynamic libraries helps a lot.
309 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 15:47 ID:Heaven
The default should be an option in config.pl
> Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba?
If this is ever implemented it should also be optional.
274 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 16:52 ID:Heaven
> Did you ditch customizable capcodes?
No, I removed the dumbass capcode I put in as a demonstration, because I don't like capcodes.
> Using "◆" as the default tripkey character.
I dunno, I always thought that was a kind of big and annoying symbol. Especially when it's so close visually to the question-mark-in-diamond marker some fonts use for characters they don't support.
> How about placing the Formatting menu to the left or right of the "File: " field? I'd also like to see WakabaMark changed to its real name (Markdown).
The File field is almost never there. Also, WakabaMark is similar to, but not the same as Markdown. There are significant differences that make them incompatible (since Markdown is designed to be used when you know you're using it, but WakabaMark tries as best as it can to not do unexpected things if you don't know about it). I might add optional support for real Markdown at some point.
> In Pseud0ch, post numbers should be the same size/format as the rest of the header text
I tried, and it looked much worse than the current solution. Besides, post numbers in Kareha and 0ch aren't the same, since they're clickable here.
> PS. What's "Raw HTML"?
Pretty useless. I'll probably remove it. It's HTML input without turning newlines into <br/>.
> Oh, and "AA mode" should be changed to "Text art mode"
Maybe just "Text art"... hmm.
185 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 09:52 ID:Heaven
>>184
If people are going to decide to use custom names for paramaters, then there isn't much you can do about it anyway, or is there?
342 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-27 09:31 ID:SjmelPTB
I don't see any inconsistencies in >>341 except for the rounded corners.
146 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 07:04 ID:Heaven
>does that mean you approve of removing the style selector on subpages?
I was referring to the entire board, but as you later explained, it seems it can never be removed completely. Though removing it from subpages wouldn't be a bad idea I guess.
>Kareha has no "No File" check in the first place
That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?
Other: Have you considered multi-page links with intervals of 100 posts at the top of subpages (ie, 1-, 101-, 201-)? Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?
Something else to consider: separating the board description/rules template from the board- or site-wide announcements. Check out http://0ch.mine.nu/test/read.cgi/jikken/1120050851 to see what I mean.