The Legendary Next Update (365)

58 Name: anon <-- Testing person 2005-10-16 21:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

huh?

204 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 22:43 ID:Heaven [Del]

> the entire server occasionally breaks

Occasionally?

Well, that might be it, except that on world4ch at least one board breaks every week, if not more. Incidentally, as of this writing, 4chan's /dis/ and /sug/ are also toast (third time this month?).

As it is, I can't recall ever seeing kareha break.

1 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-12 15:51 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

So, as Xee is almost done, and I'm mostly waiting for external contributions, I decided it was time to start working on the Legendary Next Update for Kareha and Wakaba.

Only problem is, it's been a long time, and I've forgotten most of what needs to be done. Most of it is mentioned SOMEWHERE on the board, though. So this is your chance to pipe up with your pet feature request, or if you're feeling really helpful, to dig out some old posts that mention things that need fixing.

Hop to it!

211 Name:   2005-10-21 14:41 ID:Heaven [Del]

> change the no-ID-on-email option to no-ID-on-sage
> multi-page links (1-, 101-, 201-, etc) at the top of subpages

Already implemented.

> config.pl parameter to permasage after a certain thread filesize/total number of characters has been reached

Isn't this essentially the same as saying "Please don't talk so much?"

> no EMAIL_ID parameter (most if not everyone uses "Heaven" anyway, and if they really want to change it they can easily find the string in kareha.pl)

The choice of this string is so weird and arbitary, I feel better keeping it as an option so that I can disclaim responsibility!

> better configuration of date and time (with optional timezone offsets), parsing certain characters for individual elements (ie, yyyy/MM/dd(D) hh:mm:ss -5:00:00) and also accepting numerical inputs for fixed dates and times (Eternal September)
> red, bold thread filesize indicator near the bottom of subpages

Pretty useless. I'd rather not waste work and code on something that has no actual use. (Timezone offsets would be useful, but this is such an incredibly hairy issue to get right, I don't want to even try. Just handling Daylight Savings Time would make my head explode, and I can't just leave it out, because then either the admin has to keep changing the offset, or the time will be wrong half the year anyway.)

> non-bolded post numbers
> colons before dates
> colons before names (thread subpages only)

what

246 Name:   2005-10-22 10:57 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>244

Er, that's a feature, not a bug. That's how most GUIs act.

192 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 11:52 ID:iWMGI/HY [Del]

> The "entire thread" link can easily be changes to link to the files in /res/ instead of going through the script, but that would make it somewhat less convenient when you want to consturct custom URLs, so I haven't done it.

A better solution would be to use mod_rewrite to rewrite all /kareha.pl/$number/ links to /res/$number.html
It schould be a lot faster then running the script and the links stay the same.

20 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-13 12:03 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>19

I can't reproduce this on Firefox 1.0.4 nor Safari on the Mac, but that ancient Firebird had a similar problem (but even worse).

Anyone else? Try post with a | in your name.

33 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 05:01 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>32

Your browser momentarily regressed to an old bug and then got better? Who can tell?

>>22

Running in pure perl would be ideal, portability-wise, but in practice implementing a JPEG loader and saver from scratch in Perl is both a lot more work than anyone wants to do, and the result will also be too slow.

As was already stated, making a statically linked executable lets you distribute pre-compiled binaries that people can just upload along with the script.

354 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-28 18:01 ID:Heaven [Del]

Gah, I am totally confused about what to do about the admin interface. Separate script? Built-in? Javascript? How do I display the data? I have no idea!

36 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 13:29 ID:8YdETsDh [Del]

I had a number of good old threads from this board bookmarked so I could read them later and wrap my head around their ideas, but then I lost them all in a hard drive crash (strike two, Western Digital!). I also had a number of Japanese BBS's linked from this board bookmarked so I could take a look at their software's functionality and get some other ideas.

Anyway, these are all non-template suggestions:

  • Topical category metadata in new thread creation so only one instance is necessary per site (further fine-grained behavior with PATH_INFO would let you nest one category inside another and view multiple categories of threads at once).
  • Thorough search functionality a-la notchan, using PATH_INFO. This might not be possible without implementing a per-post metadata system though.
  • Elaborating on the above, per-post metadata for "sage" status, for future-proofing in case someone wants to remove the functionality from the e-mail field (onto a checkbox, for example).
  • config.pl parameter for a generic image that takes the place of a deleted image (ie, Hello Kitty)
  • Fine-grained banning options that let you choose whether or not the user is blocked from reading a board, posting to a board, or both. Another parameter defines the duration of his ban ('0' for permaban), and another defines a reason/message displayed when the user tries to access a board.
  • Replace HTML error pages with dialog box equivalents using JavaScript.
  • Kill user deletion. I can't see any case for when it'd have constructive uses.
  • Conversion to mod_perl?

I also have an early idea swimming around in my head about only bumping threads a few positions up, instead of to the top. Another idea is actively bumping threads down, either by a few positions or to the bottom. I'm not exactly sure yet what good it'd be for.

Also...

>* I'll add thread closing to Kareha, but I was thinking of setting the default behaviour to never permasage or close threads.

I think this is ideal for the time, until we have enough statistical data to derive thorough auto-permasage and auto-delete/archive algorithms. Just add the functionality for mods to manually set these statuses, but remove the "permasage at 1000" behavior.

The standalone thumbnailer project is a great idea too. As a suggestion, how about adding functionality to also read and thumbnail document files like TXT, PDF, and DOC?

207 Name: 205 2005-10-21 03:40 ID:Heaven [Del]

From here on, this thread is about Kareha again:

122 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 06:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

About the etyomology of "fusianasan":
http://4-ch.net/nihongo/kareha.pl/1102656968/224-

67 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 06:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

The "Entire thread" link on the thread page is missing a "/" at the end.

4 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-12 17:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

Wakaba:

  • Better handling of the code that automatically inserts the >> links for quote-replies. Right now it inserts them numerous times if you go back and forth several times before actually hitting "submit".
  • Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)" (it's just handy to have that)
  • Prune-limit mode that is defined by number of files or size sum of files on a board

234 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 22:20 ID:Heaven [Del]

requesting features:

  • >>n and >>q and anything else that can be used in the url.
  • a "catalog" page for wakaba, like some futaba boards have.

311 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-24 17:24 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Why not make None or Text Art the default?

Because >>309. I don't want to implement half of WakabaMark for the None mode, and without it you don't get stuff like quote highlighting.

> Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba?

Er, that is exactly how Wakaba works right now? And Kareha can't change the contents of posts dynamically, so it'll never do it.

26 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 00:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

| stays |

25 Name: | 2005-10-14 00:37 ID:Heaven [Del]

Anyway, test with |

294 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 20:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I don't see a big fat ugly WakabaMark FAQ next to the post form either.

You don't see the link to the WakabaMark page either?

> I am just guessing here, but I am pretty sure most people will only change their settings in very rare cases.

I just added the Text Art mode so that people could post AA on any board and have it work right, but the only way for that to work is if you can quickly change modes between posts.

Look, it's getting just a tiny bit annoying with the complaining. I've been putting a huge amount of effort into making this work well both for those who want markup and those who don't. If you don't like it, you turn it off and don't need to bother with it again. There's just a tiny little link there to let people do this. Is this really a such a huge bother to deal with? It's *two words*.

262 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 16:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

"page top" is better imho

147 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 07:35 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?

I support this, especially if thread-closing by filesize should be implemented.

11 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-13 01:41 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>9
I mentioned the option because on highly active boards it's helpful to know which threads will be gone in the next few minutes.

165 Name: Shii the Metal Idol 2005-10-19 18:13 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

> Huh?

You know, like [email protected].

Shiichan 2000 let you enter "down" to sage and "showip" for fusianasan, but it was mainly just a curiosity and was not used. There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage". Better to have a tick-box and explain to people why it is useful. Or an option for it.

> Then the board has to be configurated to just do that (it already can).

No, 148 is referring to a user-end problem, not a server-end problem.

260 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 16:20 ID:Heaven [Del]

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190 Name:   2005-10-20 11:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

Also, for multiple board installations, use symlinks to allow you to keep just one installation of the main code files.

50 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-15 19:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

First thought: It would eliminate the concept of sageing as a protest entirely.

50 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-15 19:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

First thought: It would eliminate the concept of sageing as a protest entirely.

64 Name:   2005-10-17 05:03 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Ah, there was an XHTML error in the cutesy capcode, and of Safari won't handle XHTML correctly and die on errors. Gah. Fixed.

321 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-26 09:17 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

About rel=nofollow: What links should have it? Obviously not the "entire thread" link, but the l50 links in the thread list sort of need it, otherwise the search engine will never find them in the first place. But that means the l50 links will end up in the index.

294 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 20:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I don't see a big fat ugly WakabaMark FAQ next to the post form either.

You don't see the link to the WakabaMark page either?

> I am just guessing here, but I am pretty sure most people will only change their settings in very rare cases.

I just added the Text Art mode so that people could post AA on any board and have it work right, but the only way for that to work is if you can quickly change modes between posts.

Look, it's getting just a tiny bit annoying with the complaining. I've been putting a huge amount of effort into making this work well both for those who want markup and those who don't. If you don't like it, you turn it off and don't need to bother with it again. There's just a tiny little link there to let people do this. Is this really a such a huge bother to deal with? It's *two words*.
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