>database redesign
You mean requiring SQL software, or just making backwards-incompatible changes that would screw up old threads?
>prevent abuse
Are you only referring to flooding and spamming, or also trolls and flamewars?
Finally, out of curiosity: how much of the functionality in the .js file do you think could be properly implemented into a new or existing perl script?
> but when I hit refresh I get the same order.
Browser cache. Try shift-refresh.
It doesn't take a specific range, just >>r30 for 30 random posts.
Uh, kind of a bug. I really should fix it, but, lazy.
PS: I just tested fusianasan + tripcode on 2ch, it works fine.
I told you to shift-reload!
> metadata
Not sure, that would require a database redesign and I don't want to force people with a current install to do that. Also, it seems something like that would work better for a whole new script, properly designed around the idea.
> config.pl parameter for a generic image that takes the place of a deleted image (ie, Hello Kitty)
Ah, good, been meaning to do, forgot about.
> Fine-grained banning options that let you choose whether or not the user is blocked from reading a board, posting to a board, or both. Another parameter defines the duration of his ban ('0' for permaban), and another defines a reason/message displayed when the user tries to access a board.
None of those seem useful to me, because I'm of the opinion that bans are to prevent abuse, not to punish users.
> Replace HTML error pages with dialog box equivalents using JavaScript.
Would require a bunch of hidden-iframing and such. I'd like to do a complete re-design full of javascript trickery, and this idea would fit better in such a context... That is to say, I'm lazy and the current version is robust, and I'm loathe to go around changing it, since it would introduce new problems.
> Kill user deletion. I can't see any case for when it'd have constructive uses.
On image boards, it has a very definite use - people do fuck up and post in the wrong thread, or create new threads. It's better if they can clean up after themselves. In Kareha, you can already disable deletion.
> Conversion to mod_perl?
As far as I know, it should work in mod_perl already, modulo some prototype bugs. I'll try to get those fixed.
> The standalone thumbnailer project is a great idea too. As a suggestion, how about adding functionality to also read and thumbnail document files like TXT, PDF, and DOC?
That would require a LOT of code, especially when you don't want external dependencies, so it's a bit iffy.
Also, I'd like to ask exactly how Kareha does automatically generates deletion passwords. I'm guessing it's similar if not identical to how it creates ID session codes with a user's IP.
> Why?
I am not the user who initiated this parition but I find them to be triggered far too often.
> On another note, why have I seen partition instead of petition multiple times?
An old imageboard meme. Don't ask!
> Thorough search functionality a-la notchan, using PATH_INFO. This might not be possible without implementing a per-post metadata system though.
I think this not something that needs to be part of the software itself.
Besides, Google mostly provides that function just fine with site:blahblahblah.com blah
Also, what is "user deletion"?
>>170
But my good man, sage means down.
> Also, how is Kahera unrivaled when there are still large sites that are not running it? Shiichan is still on world4ch, Thorn on parts of wakachan for example.
These are temporary problems because the webmasters of both sites are too stubborn to upgrade.
What browser are you using? I think I've tracked down the problem, and it's most likely a browser bug. The ancient Firebird (not fox, even) version I tested at work had the same bug (character set issues in the escape() and unescape() functions). It looks like your browser also doesn't follow the spec for how they are supposed to work.
I'll sign that partition for a separate admin script and XHTML interface (one that includes the banning, board nuking, and spamlist-changing functions in Wakaba).
How about adding flexibility to the DELETE_FIRST option in config.pl, using booleans to define when to keep or remove a thread (including AND/OR/NOT arguments)?
Also, options for both automated permasaging and pruning by postcount, creation date/time, and board position (all configurable in config.pl of course).
Some other layout points:
Also, I forgot to mention: fusianasan works now! Put it in as your name to test it!
Congratulations to 82.94.251.206!
So the subject line will look like this:
[username]<><>[unix timestamp from now]<>[content of comment box]<> <>[IP]
Oh, and the navigation bar on the error page should probably look like the one on the thread page.
> metadata
Not sure, that would require a database redesign and I don't want to force people with a current install to do that. Also, it seems something like that would work better for a whole new script, properly designed around the idea.
> config.pl parameter for a generic image that takes the place of a deleted image (ie, Hello Kitty)
Ah, good, been meaning to do, forgot about.
> Fine-grained banning options that let you choose whether or not the user is blocked from reading a board, posting to a board, or both. Another parameter defines the duration of his ban ('0' for permaban), and another defines a reason/message displayed when the user tries to access a board.
None of those seem useful to me, because I'm of the opinion that bans are to prevent abuse, not to punish users.
> Replace HTML error pages with dialog box equivalents using JavaScript.
Would require a bunch of hidden-iframing and such. I'd like to do a complete re-design full of javascript trickery, and this idea would fit better in such a context... That is to say, I'm lazy and the current version is robust, and I'm loathe to go around changing it, since it would introduce new problems.
> Kill user deletion. I can't see any case for when it'd have constructive uses.
On image boards, it has a very definite use - people do fuck up and post in the wrong thread, or create new threads. It's better if they can clean up after themselves. In Kareha, you can already disable deletion.
> Conversion to mod_perl?
As far as I know, it should work in mod_perl already, modulo some prototype bugs. I'll try to get those fixed.
> The standalone thumbnailer project is a great idea too. As a suggestion, how about adding functionality to also read and thumbnail document files like TXT, PDF, and DOC?
That would require a LOT of code, especially when you don't want external dependencies, so it's a bit iffy.
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Oh, and "AA mode" should be changed to "Text art mode" so we won't be incessantly quibbling about the difference between ASCII and SJIS art.
> Maybe the thread title should be an l50 link?
That's what I've been saying in >>3!
> If anything, the role of capcodes should be minimized or altogether eradicated, in favor of ninja moderation.
It's up to the administration of the site how to use them. I am advocating that if they are used at all (and yes, there are useful instances for this and yes, these are and should be rare) then it would be helpful to be able to differentiate between site owner/admin/supermod/mod/maid/etc
I've been meaning to change some of the defaults away from Futaba-style to saner behaviours. Any suggestions for what to change are welcome. So far:
Well, that's what I've said from the start, but people keep requesting them.
FUDGE_BLOCKQUOTES is used by the Futaba style, and I guess I just want to keep it there to make it compatible with Futallaby-style CSS files.
Did you ditch customizable capcodes?
How about placing the Formatting menu to the left or right of the "File: " field? I'd also like to see WakabaMark changed to its real name (Markdown).
A few other considerations:
Small details aside, this is seriously shaping up to be an amazing release. Your efforts are much appreciated, WAHa.
>>112
We already have the ID function, so why do we need such an egregious compromise of anonymity (and security) like voluntarily exposing your own IP?
I found this:
fusianasan【ふしあなさん】[名・自スル]
2ちゃんねるに書き込みする際に名前欄に「fusianasan」の文字列を入力すると、その書き込みをした人のリモートホストのIPアドレスがさらされるようになっている。
本来は「(固定ハンドル)@fusianasan」などとして、まだキャップを取得していない固定ハンドルが自らIPをさらすことで騙りを防ぐためのシステムである。
が、裏2ちゃん関係のコピペが横行するに至って、一時期うっかりIPをさらしてしまう。
エロな人間が続出し、fusianasan廃止要望まで唱えられるに至った(当然却下されたが)。
IPをさらすことだけによる危険は、そのIPから手元で使用中のコンピュータを一意に特定でき
(ex:グローバルIPによる常時接続)、かつプロキシ・サーバー、ファイヤーウォールなどの防御策を怠っている場合にしか及ばないので、
fusianasanに引っかかったからといって実はそこまで神経質になることもなかったりする。
……過去にIPから仕事中に政府機関から2ちゃんねるにつないで裏2ちゃんに入ろうとしていた愚か者が釣れてさらされたという事例はあるが。
なお、現在では一部の板でデフォルトの名無しさん(名前欄未記入時の名前)が「fusianasanさん」などfusianasanを含む名前となっている場合がある。
また、串の性能を試すために敢えて裏2ちゃんに引っかかっていると思われる強者もちらほら見受けられる。
類義語:mokorikomo
参照:裏2ちゃん、キャップ
Also, for multiple board installations, use symlinks to allow you to keep just one installation of the main code files.
>>Well, then you are out of luck, aren't you? So you want to enter your E-Mail but cannot because then the post wouldn't bump then? Solution: Write it in the comment field, problem fixed.
There is no reason to change well-known keywords for this or even turn this into a frustratingly unconvenient tickbox/checkbox.
Having a specific trigger to trigger ID would also work.
>discussion of only one comment box, then you couldn't talk about sage/fusianasan/whatever
You could only trigger the functions in a specific format, say
:link-sage
:name-blah#faggotlol commentI do not believe this was an actual request, but it is obviously possible and usable. Another way would be escaping keywords that you want to post.
> partition to kill secure tripcodes
Why? If you are going to get rid of secure tripcodes you should get rid of tripcodes by the same reasons. On another note, why have I seen partition instead of petition multiple times?
>So I misspelled one word once. Sue me!
My point was that it is unnesessarily obtuse, not nit-picking that you misspelled it.
>This is a widely used system. There is a very low learning curve here. sage = does not bump thread when replying, that's all there is to know. People can then figure out why it is useful on their own.
You would think there is a low learning curve, but that is not really the case. For example, on an imageboard, what effect do you have making a sage post (with no real content) with prune oldest and a permasage limit? What about prune oldest with a permasage limit that excludes sage replies?
>trigger replacements
I'm not sure what to replace sage with, if anything. Down certainly doesn't describe it (to me it implies the reverse of age, which is not the case). don't_bump or dont_bump? show_host or show_ip works for fusianasan imo... show_ID to trigger ID?
About the etyomology of "fusianasan":
http://4-ch.net/nihongo/kareha.pl/1102656968/224-
I had a number of good old threads from this board bookmarked so I could read them later and wrap my head around their ideas, but then I lost them all in a hard drive crash (strike two, Western Digital!). I also had a number of Japanese BBS's linked from this board bookmarked so I could take a look at their software's functionality and get some other ideas.
Anyway, these are all non-template suggestions:
I also have an early idea swimming around in my head about only bumping threads a few positions up, instead of to the top. Another idea is actively bumping threads down, either by a few positions or to the bottom. I'm not exactly sure yet what good it'd be for.
Also...
>* I'll add thread closing to Kareha, but I was thinking of setting the default behaviour to never permasage or close threads.
I think this is ideal for the time, until we have enough statistical data to derive thorough auto-permasage and auto-delete/archive algorithms. Just add the functionality for mods to manually set these statuses, but remove the "permasage at 1000" behavior.
The standalone thumbnailer project is a great idea too. As a suggestion, how about adding functionality to also read and thumbnail document files like TXT, PDF, and DOC?