The Legendary Next Update (365)

223 Name: 214 2005-10-21 16:41 ID:Heaven [Del]

I want a 1001th post! :(

140 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 20:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>137
I also noticed that you removed the CSS selector in individual thread views. Personally, it seems both the Admin options and Style selector are a bit of a hindrance to the overall layout. Don't get me wrong -- I think the drop-in Style capability is fantastic-- but it just doesn't seem to play nice with the current 2ch page design.

The thing is, don't most or all major browsers these days allow users to change CSS styles from within the application itself? I know Firefox does, at least. Maybe the selector isn't really necessary.

56 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 12:26 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>55
I'm not complaining about the current system, just throwing around some new ideas for a change (instead of blindly following whatever new thing comes along on 2ch).

32 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 00:57 ID:Heaven [Del]

Well, both >>30 and >>31 didn't change the ¦ into ?U so I am out of ideas what happened...

274 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 16:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Did you ditch customizable capcodes?

No, I removed the dumbass capcode I put in as a demonstration, because I don't like capcodes.

> Using "◆" as the default tripkey character.

I dunno, I always thought that was a kind of big and annoying symbol. Especially when it's so close visually to the question-mark-in-diamond marker some fonts use for characters they don't support.

> How about placing the Formatting menu to the left or right of the "File: " field? I'd also like to see WakabaMark changed to its real name (Markdown).

The File field is almost never there. Also, WakabaMark is similar to, but not the same as Markdown. There are significant differences that make them incompatible (since Markdown is designed to be used when you know you're using it, but WakabaMark tries as best as it can to not do unexpected things if you don't know about it). I might add optional support for real Markdown at some point.

> In Pseud0ch, post numbers should be the same size/format as the rest of the header text

I tried, and it looked much worse than the current solution. Besides, post numbers in Kareha and 0ch aren't the same, since they're clickable here.

> PS. What's "Raw HTML"?

Pretty useless. I'll probably remove it. It's HTML input without turning newlines into <br/>.

> Oh, and "AA mode" should be changed to "Text art mode"

Maybe just "Text art"... hmm.

181 Name:   2005-10-20 06:39 ID:ReFmOAs0 [Del]

>>180

The one with encoded Javascript that makes you post with fusianasan is cute.

101 Name: sjcd-dmzweb-ce8.cisco.com 2005-10-17 15:04 ID:95ZECAi3 [Del]

sup

293 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 20:19 ID:Heaven [Del]

Man, this really is annoying.

Partition for unified encoding! Outsource Markup to the select few who want it (I am pretty sure the vast majority of users can live without it).

107 Name: dhcp125.engglab.ualberta.ca 2005-10-17 17:28 ID:Heaven [Del]

fusianasan + sage test

291 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:54 ID:Heaven [Del]

No "2ch mode" link in the footer? I think Hiroyuki deserves some credit.

348 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 17:17 ID:Heaven [Del]

I notice some weirdness with the CSS changes sometimes. For example, the first post on a -100 page will sometimes have the first character of the post enlarged. >>2 looks something like
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/>2 until it is mouse-overed or you change the CSS, but then it goes back to large again on refresh. Also can happen with lowercase letters. Some of the field labels also change size from refreshing in a certain CSS versus just switching to it.

>It's all a design & layout question. I'd like to have the interface reduced to what is absolutely neccessary, esp. since I do not think many people really want to even bother or bother very often with the whole markup question.

Why have a name field or link field? For the majority of posts they are not used, or only used for sage. As stated earlier, they are not even needed for the bare minimum of usage. You want to prove it is you posting? Use a gpg signature or something and a third-party extension, it is just fluff that is not needed at all!

I'm all for having a system that is easy to modify to the end-user's wants and needs. However, there are going to be plenty of users that are not hardcore enough to make or use such options. Therefore, the normal functionality should be pretty usable.

People seem to pop-up whenever something that would change the interface to shout it down. They seem to fear any change and normally give no reason other than it would clutter things up or some nonsense. Does the CSS selector -really- get in your way? It is probably a whole ten pixels! Is having the More options thing really ruining your experience, or are you just against it on some principle? Personally, I would move it below the comment text-area or something, as now the tab amounts between the main fields has changed.

343 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 09:51 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>342
Well, for example, in both forms the text labels are bolded when they shouldn't be, in Futaba and Blue Moon. If you take a look at Blue Moon, the text labels in Create new thread are larger than those in the Reply box.

113 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 21:30 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>112
We already have the ID function, so why do we need such an egregious compromise of anonymity (and security) like voluntarily exposing your own IP?

340 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 08:57 ID:Heaven (Image: 1010x554 png, 80 kb) [Del]

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>>336
IMO minimalist web applications like Kareha should only focus on core content/functionality and leave the inconsequential presentation options up to browser extensions so that each user can tweak them to his whim. That's why I was pushing to offload the CSS selector to an extension.

>>337
Here's a better example, I think. Even if we can't remove the excessive side borders, is there a way to at least have rounded corners?

On formatting options: I think >>338 fails to understand that leaving the formatting options up to each individual user is a good thing by all means. Besides, they are absolutely necessary to the interface and core functionality, just like the Name and URL fields are. Preview functionality, on the other hand, should be implemented in an extension.

I think the issue that people have with the formatting options is that we don't have a Japanese counterpart to blindly model it after. Since we're going at this on our own, nobody is quite sure how it should be done. I'd like to see how it turns out on mode_image (if you feel the need to include it at all). :)

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60 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 21:29 ID:Heaven [Del]

The test thread seems to be broken too.

60 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 21:29 ID:Heaven [Del]

The test thread seems to be broken too.

9 Name: test 2005-10-12 20:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)"

I actually don't like that, and think wakaba should no longer use the futaba style of dropping threads by default. Why not use the least-popular option instead? If a thread is in demand, let it live.

67 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 06:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

The "Entire thread" link on the thread page is missing a "/" at the end.

39 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 14:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>38
Sorry, I guess I should've worded that more clearly. I was referring to the ability for users to delete their own posts. It's counter-productive to discussions when a user deletes his own post and a quick replier later quotes or references it. It also encourages users to be lazy with posting, because they can always go back and hide their mistakes.

286 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

> The error page in mode_message should more closely resemble that of 0ch (complete with "ERROR!" title).

Signed. And the style selector on the error page is pretty useless.

361 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-31 16:44 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>360
Doesn't mean we can't have separate releases for special scripts. :)

230 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 18:43 ID:Heaven [Del]

I think it'd be a better idea to have some kind of load-balancing/distributed server cluster approach, like what dmpk2k was working on for Wakaba.

303 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-24 05:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Is it intentional that thread links without a trailing slash

Uh, I was wondering the same thing. I'm not sure. I guess I should fix that.

336 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 01:05 ID:GUU8bzQY [Del]

>>333
The whole point of websites is to implement things without the external application. I don't understand the argument for OH NO ANOTHER BUTTON MY WHOLE LIFE IS RUINNED crowd. If you don't like the extra buttons why don't you remove them with an external application and/or preferences? When you are talking about formating options, a preview makes sense. Are you going to set up your thrid-party application for every configuration of tags supported for every board?

If a feature is of a wide enough audience, it should be included. I'm sure nearly everyone could use a preview every once in a while, whereas something like a Bible quotation functionality would not have wide use.

258 Name:   2005-10-22 14:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

Maybe. I just picked something at random.

316 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-25 05:01 ID:Heaven [Del]

Nothing specific, just protecting against any possible future ones.

290 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:44 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>289
Well, you have links now in the current incarnation. I would think that this kinda thing (Return link vs. Back button) would be common knowledge by now among regular Internet users.

177 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 02:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

What does Thorn have to do with Kareha? Thorn's counterpart is Wakaba.

Anyway, the version of Shiichan on world4ch is bust. It's not a case of feature versus feature here, Shiichan simply doesn't work. It's not worth comparing until it doesn't break regularly.

If Shii were still working on it might be different, but Shiichan is effectively a dead project which incidentally has a closed and broken version working on world4ch.

340 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 08:57 ID:Heaven (Image: 1010x554 png, 80 kb) [Del]

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>>336
IMO minimalist web applications like Kareha should only focus on core content/functionality and leave the inconsequential presentation options up to browser extensions so that each user can tweak them to his whim. That's why I was pushing to offload the CSS selector to an extension.

>>337
Here's a better example, I think. Even if we can't remove the excessive side borders, is there a way to at least have rounded corners?

On formatting options: I think >>338 fails to understand that leaving the formatting options up to each individual user is a good thing by all means. Besides, they are absolutely necessary to the interface and core functionality, just like the Name and URL fields are. Preview functionality, on the other hand, should be implemented in an extension.

I think the issue that people have with the formatting options is that we don't have a Japanese counterpart to blindly model it after. Since we're going at this on our own, nobody is quite sure how it should be done. I'd like to see how it turns out on mode_image (if you feel the need to include it at all). :)

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