The Legendary Next Update (365)

45 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 19:39 ID:1l2MEdqn [Del]

>>41

>database redesign

You mean requiring SQL software, or just making backwards-incompatible changes that would screw up old threads?

>prevent abuse

Are you only referring to flooding and spamming, or also trolls and flamewars?

Finally, out of curiosity: how much of the functionality in the .js file do you think could be properly implemented into a new or existing perl script?

308 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 15:37 ID:hjzD4Li4 [Del]

Why not make None or Text Art the default? That way you don't surprise people.

Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba? Currently when you click the link it just reloads the page with a different highlight, which is not all that helpful.

139 Name:   2005-10-18 20:03 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

You can't document easter eggs! That's crazy talk!

Also, I find it insanely more annoying to write text in five-line tunnel vision than whatever annoyance might be caused by a comment box that expands.

227 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 17:21 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>226
(´・ω・`)

165 Name: Shii the Metal Idol 2005-10-19 18:13 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

> Huh?

You know, like [email protected].

Shiichan 2000 let you enter "down" to sage and "showip" for fusianasan, but it was mainly just a curiosity and was not used. There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage". Better to have a tick-box and explain to people why it is useful. Or an option for it.

> Then the board has to be configurated to just do that (it already can).

No, 148 is referring to a user-end problem, not a server-end problem.

355 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-28 19:32 ID:m/57LIb/ [Del]

There needs to be a separate page for bans, at least.

317 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-25 15:45 ID:Heaven [Del]

So, I made the All threads page a lot fancier. Might need some shift-reloading to get the proper CSS.

Is this about done, besides the admin bit? I'm getting a bit tired and distractions are looming to the left and right.

61 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 02:10 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>58
Fuck you for giving me <blink>

82 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 11:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

> but I don't quite see why there should be a "First 100" at the top but not at the bottom.

Probably to avoid clutter and because of the assumption that if you arrive at the bottom of a page, you can do without the "First 100" link. "First 100" seems to be a navigational aid for beginners who are new to the thread, so it makes sense to only have it at the top.

204 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 22:43 ID:Heaven [Del]

> the entire server occasionally breaks

Occasionally?

Well, that might be it, except that on world4ch at least one board breaks every week, if not more. Incidentally, as of this writing, 4chan's /dis/ and /sug/ are also toast (third time this month?).

As it is, I can't recall ever seeing kareha break.

192 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 11:52 ID:iWMGI/HY [Del]

> The "entire thread" link can easily be changes to link to the files in /res/ instead of going through the script, but that would make it somewhat less convenient when you want to consturct custom URLs, so I haven't done it.

A better solution would be to use mod_rewrite to rewrite all /kareha.pl/$number/ links to /res/$number.html
It schould be a lot faster then running the script and the links stay the same.

177 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-20 02:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

What does Thorn have to do with Kareha? Thorn's counterpart is Wakaba.

Anyway, the version of Shiichan on world4ch is bust. It's not a case of feature versus feature here, Shiichan simply doesn't work. It's not worth comparing until it doesn't break regularly.

If Shii were still working on it might be different, but Shiichan is effectively a dead project which incidentally has a closed and broken version working on world4ch.

290 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:44 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>289
Well, you have links now in the current incarnation. I would think that this kinda thing (Return link vs. Back button) would be common knowledge by now among regular Internet users.

352 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-28 06:34 ID:Heaven [Del]

At least i got 350

96 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>89

>But the body text is even more important, and that goes at the bottom. So I dunno.

Yeah, I considered this too. I'm mainly suggesting for the sake of convention.

We definitely don't need a separate page for creating new threads (I get bad memories of Shiichan), mainly because it's inconvenient and requires a whole other page for something that really shouldn't. The fact that it'd be at the bottom of the board page already detracts bad posters with itchy trigger fingers. I think most of us have an "End" key on our keyboards, so we don't really have to scroll all the way down anyway. :) Really, the only issue I have with moving the post box to the bottom is that it ruins my personal visualization of new threads falling on top of the "stack of threads" and replies emerging from below the "stack of replies".

In reference to >>90, there's something I see on every 2ch board that is a lot less prevalent in Western counterparts (barring certain 4-ch boards): a rules/disclaimer block at the top, above the thread-list, with links to a newbie guide, site FAQ, and the like. Yes, it may be an annoyance to veterans, but being at the very top means it's most visible to newbies. That way, we don't get a constant influx of people wondering whether or not they need to fill in the Name and Link fields and what the hell sage and tripcodes are.

297 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 20:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

How about appending an estimated (at the time of thread creation) time of pruning to the first post's header, if pruning-by-age is enabled?

185 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 09:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>184
If people are going to decide to use custom names for paramaters, then there isn't much you can do about it anyway, or is there?

205 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 03:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

If we must discuss Shiichan's bug (which I believe we don't): I like the one where it sometimes turns an existing thread at the end of the All thread list into a thread with no subject, creation date set as 31 Dec 1969: 19:00 and then set to -1 posts (!) - and when you post in it, you 0GET and your IP appears as the subject.

It's a brilliant, better than fusianasan! Try it out: http://dis.4chan.org/read.php/dis/1121735647/

361 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-31 16:44 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>360
Doesn't mean we can't have separate releases for special scripts. :)

217 Name: 214 2005-10-21 15:06 ID:Heaven [Del]

> More information on the all threads page [...] file size?

If (optional) closing on filesize should be implemented, this would probably be a good idea.

219 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 15:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>216
I remember at least one or two boards on 2ch that used it, though I can't remember which (moon language and such, you see).

I apologize for the dumb question I made at the end of >>218. I forgot that Kareha permasages (not closes) a thread after the limit is exceeded, so there's no need for a hypothetical 1001th post anyway! orz

214 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 15:00 ID:Heaven [Del]

>> config.pl parameter to permasage after a certain thread filesize/total number of characters has been reached
> Isn't this essentially the same as saying "Please don't talk so much?"

I am not >>208 but the first who suggested this here (long ago). I think it may be vital for future, actually popular boards to limit the filesize of a thread so that the board won't get hammered by repeated loads of whole threads without having to limit the size of posts themselves something fierce.

265 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 14:24 ID:Heaven [Del]

All right, code updated again. This time, some experimenting! I've implemented a tentative system for changing markup types. This needs a bunch of testing, of course, so here's the test thread link once again: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/

Thoughts and comments are welcome. I'm still trying to figure out how exactly to do this.

There's a bunch of other changes and fixes too, so mention if anything breaks, as usual. Also, shift-reload!

113 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 21:30 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>112
We already have the ID function, so why do we need such an egregious compromise of anonymity (and security) like voluntarily exposing your own IP?

164 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 18:08 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>161

>3) was about a string to trigger ID:Heaven, not a constant for the Heaven part (which is already configurable)

That's what I was referring to also in >>154 (S_NOID being the theoretical trigger string for ID:Heaven).

Concerning localization: there are certain compromises with input triggers that must be made in order to maintain interoperability with Japanese users coming from 2ch/Futaba. They're not going to care about a system where "sage" and "fusianasan" (in Roman too I'm guessing, can someone confirm this?) don't work in their respective fields. In effect, 2ch set a standard of usability that we need to follow if we want to build a bridge between both communities.

On the flipside, I think there should also be a secondary set of trigger strings that would be more coherent to Western users and universal to all Western boards. Making them configurable from site to site is really dumb, because it would create an unthinkable usability mess. With Shiichan's death, Kareha stands unrivaled, and setting these strings in stone would ingrain them in the culture like "sage" and "fusianasan" have been in Japan. Thinking very optimistically, if a Western BBS site should grow into something large enough for 2channers to strongly take notice of, they would pick up on these triggers and possibly make their own concessions to implement them in 0ch.

What they should be is yet to be determined. Unfortunately, they'll probably have to be pretty dull in comparison to the witty botanical references and word puns in 2ch and Futaba.

>>163

>I don't think so, not in these cases. What's the alternative? Having a different field for fusianasan, a new checkbox for sage, etc.? That's just cluttering up the interface.

Then why not simply boil it all down to the comment field, with trigger strings for inputting the name, e-mail, sage, ID:Heaven, and fusianasan? You can get a lot more minimal with the current interface.

>Huh?

He meant saging a thread just because a part of the actual e-mail address contains the word "sage."

219 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 15:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>216
I remember at least one or two boards on 2ch that used it, though I can't remember which (moon language and such, you see).

I apologize for the dumb question I made at the end of >>218. I forgot that Kareha permasages (not closes) a thread after the limit is exceeded, so there's no need for a hypothetical 1001th post anyway! orz

310 Name: 309 : 2005-10-24 15:51 ID:Heaven [Del]

And my post ist a good example for chosing the wrong markup :/

55 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 10:35 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>54
I really don't understand what the problem with the current system is. You must be confused. ┐('~`;)┌

340 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 08:57 ID:Heaven (Image: 1010x554 png, 80 kb) [Del]

src/1130425040482.png: 1010x554, 80 kb

>>336
IMO minimalist web applications like Kareha should only focus on core content/functionality and leave the inconsequential presentation options up to browser extensions so that each user can tweak them to his whim. That's why I was pushing to offload the CSS selector to an extension.

>>337
Here's a better example, I think. Even if we can't remove the excessive side borders, is there a way to at least have rounded corners?

On formatting options: I think >>338 fails to understand that leaving the formatting options up to each individual user is a good thing by all means. Besides, they are absolutely necessary to the interface and core functionality, just like the Name and URL fields are. Preview functionality, on the other hand, should be implemented in an extension.

I think the issue that people have with the formatting options is that we don't have a Japanese counterpart to blindly model it after. Since we're going at this on our own, nobody is quite sure how it should be done. I'd like to see how it turns out on mode_image (if you feel the need to include it at all). :)

142 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 22:44 ID:Heaven [Del]

The Futaba template is missing the "No File" checkbox next to the File field in the Post New Thread area.

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