The Legendary Next Update (365)

51 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-15 19:43 ID:Heaven [Del]

> It would eliminate the concept of sageing as a protest entirely.

Except that nobody knows what's going on back-end.

I like the idea though.

92 Name: anon!21anon4H3U 2005-10-17 14:00 ID:Heaven [Del]

This my just be me, but I'd like a link to the entire thread in karaha at the top of threads.

94 Name:   2005-10-17 14:06 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

> Put the Entire thread link on the top of the thread, not the bottom.

Well, since the current update has removed almost all links to entire threads, I won't do THAT, but I guess a Last 50 link could be snuck in somewhere... Maybe the thread title should be an l50 link?

155 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 13:42 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>154
Kami! Nice ID.

174 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 02:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Making them configurable from site to site is really dumb, because it would create an unthinkable usability mess.

Why? Let people figure out things themselves, if they are so keen on changing their keywords. They can get together in their own webmaster threads and figure this out. I don't see why this should be solved here.
Of course I think this is a dumb idea in the first place. Nobody needs to know what fusianasan and sage are. Write a FAQ with two sentences about it and/or let your oldtime users tell newbies. Two frickin' words, and you people talk about it as if it were something like making up a new system of romanization!

> Then why not simply boil it all down to the comment field, with trigger strings for inputting the name, e-mail, sage, ID:Heaven, and fusianasan? You can get a lot more minimal with the current interface.

That's a bit too much. You want to talk about sage and fusianasan in the comment field, not trigger it with it.
I suspect you are joking here, though. Design is about what you can take away and still remain optimal conveniency/efficiency on the user part, not about taking as much away as you are technically capable of.

130 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 17:19 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh, and I apologize for indirectly causing you too much trouble with this change.

58 Name: anon <-- Testing person 2005-10-16 21:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

huh?

287 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh, and the navigation bar on the error page should probably look like the one on the thread page.

225 Name: 214 2005-10-21 17:05 ID:Heaven [Del]

Okay then, for starters, how about the closing message to exactly look like a post (although it's sad it won't be accesable with >>1001)?

271 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 16:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

Did you ditch customizable capcodes?

How about placing the Formatting menu to the left or right of the "File: " field? I'd also like to see WakabaMark changed to its real name (Markdown).

A few other considerations:

  • Using "◆" as the default tripkey character.
  • No need for the "Navigation: " text before the navigation links in subpages
  • In Pseud0ch, post numbers should be the same size/format as the rest of the header text
  • I'm still thinking that subback should be as minimal as possible: no navlinks, title, or last post/filesize data. Then again, I'm from the school of following 0ch blindly.
  • Variable admin permissions per password
  • Is the Admin bar gonna come back before the final version?

Small details aside, this is seriously shaping up to be an amazing release. Your efforts are much appreciated, WAHa.

137 Name:   2005-10-18 19:23 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Removed it when redesigning the page head, haven't figured out quite what to do about it yet. It needs to be changed, but to what, I'm not yet sure.

185 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 09:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>184
If people are going to decide to use custom names for paramaters, then there isn't much you can do about it anyway, or is there?

224 Name:   2005-10-21 16:59 ID:Heaven [Del]

A 1001th post would be a bother.

307 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2005-10-24 15:21 ID:Heaven [Del]

> It's a link, it screams "Click me!".

There's something to be said about obsessive-compulsive... >.>;

32 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 00:57 ID:Heaven [Del]

Well, both >>30 and >>31 didn't change the ¦ into ?U so I am out of ideas what happened...

253 Name:   2005-10-22 13:12 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>251

Again, the list of tags allowed on that page don't correspond to what would be allowed in Kareha. Of course <img> tags wouldn't be allowed, for instance. This is just for testing the actual cleanup engine.

158 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 14:19 ID:Heaven [Del]

> They can modify it an claim copyright on their modifications, at least as long as they're significant enough, but that doesn't affect existing works in the public domain.

Devil's advocate: What if they make significant changes you would want to add yourself? before you do? Can they then tell you to stop if they license their work first?

164 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 18:08 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>161

>3) was about a string to trigger ID:Heaven, not a constant for the Heaven part (which is already configurable)

That's what I was referring to also in >>154 (S_NOID being the theoretical trigger string for ID:Heaven).

Concerning localization: there are certain compromises with input triggers that must be made in order to maintain interoperability with Japanese users coming from 2ch/Futaba. They're not going to care about a system where "sage" and "fusianasan" (in Roman too I'm guessing, can someone confirm this?) don't work in their respective fields. In effect, 2ch set a standard of usability that we need to follow if we want to build a bridge between both communities.

On the flipside, I think there should also be a secondary set of trigger strings that would be more coherent to Western users and universal to all Western boards. Making them configurable from site to site is really dumb, because it would create an unthinkable usability mess. With Shiichan's death, Kareha stands unrivaled, and setting these strings in stone would ingrain them in the culture like "sage" and "fusianasan" have been in Japan. Thinking very optimistically, if a Western BBS site should grow into something large enough for 2channers to strongly take notice of, they would pick up on these triggers and possibly make their own concessions to implement them in 0ch.

What they should be is yet to be determined. Unfortunately, they'll probably have to be pretty dull in comparison to the witty botanical references and word puns in 2ch and Futaba.

>>163

>I don't think so, not in these cases. What's the alternative? Having a different field for fusianasan, a new checkbox for sage, etc.? That's just cluttering up the interface.

Then why not simply boil it all down to the comment field, with trigger strings for inputting the name, e-mail, sage, ID:Heaven, and fusianasan? You can get a lot more minimal with the current interface.

>Huh?

He meant saging a thread just because a part of the actual e-mail address contains the word "sage."

44 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 16:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

Uh, kind of a bug. I really should fix it, but, lazy.

285 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 18:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>284

HTML mode handles >> references, but not URLs because I've been too lazy to figure out a regexp that would handle that correctly. Also, yes, newlines are converted to <br /> intentionally. This matches how most sites that accept HTML markup work.

208 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 13:46 ID:cRmds2wO [Del]

Recapping, here are the things I'd like to see in the final release:

  • better configuration of date and time (with optional timezone offsets), parsing certain characters for individual elements (ie, yyyy/MM/dd(D) hh:mm:ss -5:00:00) and also accepting numerical inputs for fixed dates and times (Eternal September)
  • config.pl parameter to permasage after a certain thread filesize/total number of characters has been reached
  • change the no-ID-on-email option to no-ID-on-sage
  • no EMAIL_ID parameter (most if not everyone uses "Heaven" anyway, and if they really want to change it they can easily find the string in kareha.pl)

Some nitpicky template adjustments to mode_message in order to more closely resemble 0ch (see http://f17.aaa.livedoor.jp/~zerotest/jikken and http://0ch.mine.nu/jikken):

  • multi-page links (1-, 101-, 201-, etc) at the top of subpages
  • red, bold thread filesize indicator near the bottom of subpages
  • "read all later posts" link just below the filesize indicator
  • non-bolded post numbers
  • colons before dates
  • colons before names (thread subpages only)
  • colons after thread position number in main page thread list
  • smaller and (at least for Pseud0ch) black and bolded title in "Create new thread" box

342 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-27 09:31 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

I don't see any inconsistencies in >>341 except for the rounded corners.

276 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 17:40 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>275
Heh, I thought you had disabled it manually.

>The File field is almost never there.

Right, and when it isn't, the Formatting menu can still reside on the same line.

The error page in mode_message should more closely resemble that of 0ch (complete with "ERROR!" title).

330 Name: 329 : 2005-10-26 20:02 ID:Heaven (Image: 1010x554 png, 76 kb) [Del]

src/1130378556374.png: 1010x554, 76 kb

Oops, here's the screenshot. orz

80 Name: 79 2005-10-17 09:17 ID:Heaven [Del]

Argh, beaten and >>n isn't even implemented. orz

227 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 17:21 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>226
(´・ω・`)

171 Name: Shii the Metal Idol 2005-10-19 20:51 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

>>170
But my good man, sage means down.

> Also, how is Kahera unrivaled when there are still large sites that are not running it? Shiichan is still on world4ch, Thorn on parts of wakachan for example.

These are temporary problems because the webmasters of both sites are too stubborn to upgrade.

231 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 21:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

How about adding a link to 2ch in footer.html called "2ch mode"?

35 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 13:11 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Well, a lot of machines run on x86 these days, so that covers a lot of it. And you could pre-compile for a couple of other architectures, and have it pretty much covered. Linux and unixes in general make it ridiculously hard to distribute binaries, as opposed to Windows or Mac OS, but it's still possible with a bit of trickery. Avoiding dynamic libraries helps a lot.

76 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>74
The comma range separator is useful for anchoring a certain post range to the first post (ie, "1,-100"), but that's all I can really think of. Still, I appreciate such a degree of flexibility.

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