I figured since the threads about the English *chans on the English *chans' own fora usually create drama, flamewars and trolling since the respective community usually gets defensive about "its own site", this could be a good place to talk about them, even though the board is losely associated with WAKAchan.
Don't let that bother you, though. This board and the idea for it have been older than WAKAchan. It won't really matter where you are coming from or if you even want to talk about an English *chan (4chan, iichan, 5chan, fchan, 0chan, etc.) at all or rather about a Japanese, Chinese or Taiwanese *chan, imageboard or whatever. Rational arguments above usernames and community cliques!
This thread should just serve the use to make a few remarks about a particular imageboard site / community, how they relate to each other, what differences, opportunities, etc. there could be, both from a technical standpoint as well as from a "sociological" standpoint, if you want to talk about that. And of course, there's more...
Please try to refrain from trolling this thread too much. Also, please don't pay any trolls herein too much attention, i.e. don't feed them. Let's keep this civil, everyone!
>I would really like to see the concept of an image board divorce itself from Japanophilia/otakuism.
I totally agree with you, anonymous image boards is a great concept that has a lot bigger potential than swapping anime-images and porn between nerds.
MAEboard attempted to do this with a computer-board, but it was still reeking of otakuness. Also, I would like to see more use of anonymous discussion-boards, as those are a lot better than the "old-fashioned" forum-software (like Shii would say).
People in the west haven't realized how good this yet.
First off, I'll note that I agree entirely with >>1's thoughts on this board and this discussion topic. Next:
> Furthermore, the 5chan-idlechan war (or whatever it was) was unnecessary, unproductive, self-destructive.
True. However biased I may be, though, I'd put most of the blame for that on Zabadab and his shadowy backers in the porn industry. And with him gone, the whole community has been much more quiet. I didn't hate 5chan as a site enough to wish it gone forever, but if it was the only way to get rid of him, then we're better off with the whole site gone.
The reason I disliked 5chan had more to do with how it was designed more for swapping obsessively categorized porn than for any kind of community or discussion.
> I would really like to see the concept of an image board divorce itself from Japanophilia/otakuism.
Now, personally, I am quite the otaku and do enjoy the anime-themed boards, but I agree that there is a lot more potential for other things. The image board concept is just not well-known enough in the west outside the anime community for anything to really happen yet, though. That needs to change, but I am not sure how.
Also, we need an English-language Coaster Board! (http://101fwy.com/coaster/index.htm)
You know what I mean. Also, "channel" isn't that limited to imageboards in association (2channel (= 2ch.net) comes to mind).
2ch is also called 2-chan. There's not really a distinction there.
I dunno, I just find "*chans" awkward to read. "english imageboards"?
Well, I didn't want to exclude non-English imageboards, and just "imageboards" sounded to general to me - but it probably isn't.
Yeah, "imageboards" is a good term. Or "image boards", what with "The Society for the Study of Modern Image Board Culture" and all, heh.
> I would really like to see the concept of an image board divorce itself from Japanophilia/otakuism.
I don't really know what you mean by that. To an extent, that has already happened, and the software is free to get and sometimes even free to set up, so the option is there. Thus, it ultimately depends on whether the people want this and what it exactly should be that they want, what kind of image board site / community / whatever. But what's in expressing this devotional desire for "an image board" to "divorce itself from Japanophilia/otakuism"? I mean, who cares? Not even the people who will set the coming imageboards up themselves. Why should they?
> The image board concept is just not well-known enough in the west outside the anime community for anything to really happen yet, though. That needs to change, but I am not sure how.
Porn. Prior to my whole experience with futaba and all, I have already seen European-based porn trade sites set up image-sharing software that was very similiar to what your new Kareha (http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1106099822) was like, although much more primitive, restrictive and under the label of "user galleries".
And if this takes up in popularity again, it will probably start with a lot of porn, too. Wasn't there even one gang of pedo trolls on iichan in its latter days that kept posting screenshots of their little pedophilia Wakaba they set up (I am talking photos of real children here)?
We may not like this, users of the "classic imageboards" and their developers and admins alike, but porn, even the most vile sort of it, will probably drive this to become really popular - or infamous. Things we don't like, contentwise, will come up eventually. And there's little for each one of us to do or say in regards to what should be the content of these imageboards or in what proportions.
Probably the best thing to do for each one of us is to "keep up the good work". Keep on posting on the communities you like. Set up and maintain imageboards you think serve good and enjoyable purposes. Get in contact and engange with the community (as difficult as that may be in the middle of sitewars, flames, trolls, etc.). Spread the gospel to other media. Just anything to keep the things we love about this whole spiel as alive and vital as possible for us.
> Just anything to keep the things we love about this whole spiel as alive and vital as possible for us.
And as one of those otakuist/japanophile, I want to add the possibility to get in contact with "our overlords" concerning this whole enterprise. Imageboards did get as popular and did not evolve as much in Japan for a set of reasons, most of which aren't really classified or properly examined yet (already existing otaku/visual culture, almost limitless bandwidth come to mind). In short: I think there's still a lot to learn and maybe even to work on, mutually. in the future. I think it would just ammount to a voluntarily self-blinding if that option would not at least be considered.
In more concrete words: Didn't WAHa once come up with the idea of getting in contact with the people of the 101Freeway posse (http://www.101fwy.com/) once? They seem to be in good spirits and linkage with quite a pack of other small communities. Maybe there's some chance to set something up. Of course, that's going to be difficult. The admin of the Magical Lounge, for instance, didn't react that much at all to our first, shy advances (concerning their spam problems back then, which still persist). Language barriers and all that are a problem here, of course. "What Is To Be Done?" (- Lenin)
I'd love to see an active completely "safe" board of some sort evolve into being somewhere. It's not about work-cowardice or morality or anything, but rather about having some place to link which is completely safe - preferrably not nerdy either, people tend to be so sensitive to anything not pink and fluffy.
That way, people could link there either to show off some post or to show how cool the entire system is. If people would realized that they can setup something similar themselves, they'd trick themselves into thinking that they can make something really cool, and every now and then someone might just manage to do that.
Outside of the *chan realm, I've seen one gun website which had imageboard software...once again, it was a lot more crappy than what we have around here, but the basic working system was there.
The problem with the internet is that it is open to pretty much everyone, especially image board software based sites. Do you know why goatse.cx got suspended? Because the complainant saw it pop up in the online fora of the United Nations.
What I want to say is that trolls, smutpendlers and everything that is not dear to the eyes of some will eventually find its way along on the internet. Sure, on some sites with little traffic months might pass before this happens, but in the end, it will, if only for a little time.
Today I want to make a few remarks about NSWF boards: Either you make them NSFW and then go with it and deal with what "free speech" gives you or you limit the use - but then it's not NSFW. WAKAchan's /b/ annoys the hell out of me right now because it can neither decide on what it wants to be (thus it lacks a basic form of sincerity) and the users' constant whining about some content being "not random enough" reminds me of when 4chan went down and the /b/tards started posting 4chan NETA pics on 5chan's random board, eliciting the same kind of comments and outrage from the whiney 5chan folk.
/b/ or "Random" should stand for mayhem, melodrama, disgust and bewilderment. Any attempts at restricting and taming this spirit will neccessarily result in something else and most likely in something lamer than what the random boards on 4chan, Futaba, Siokara, etc. are like. My advice for WAKAchan is to simply admit that their /b/ is not meant to be NSFW and just go with that. At least that would be an honest attitude.
Reason given for the new rule on 4chan's /d/ ("No beasts"):
> Souldark !B.xVc1Wndg 02/27/05(Sun)22:42 No.54827
> Simply put, we group and make the rules.
> From the feedback we'd received, and from personal moderator preference, we've decided that we don't like to see beastiality of any form on 4chan, save for /b/.
> That's the way it is. If you were going to donate the better part of your mother's trust fund to 4chan, and have now had a change of heart, then so be it.
> We really don't need to hear how you were "going to donate to 4chan, and now won't." Plenty of people who actually give a shit about the site and it's development are more prepared to step up and pay out a little for their pleasure.
> Case fucking closed, thread fucking closed. We're not giving a reason for the removal, because it's a private and staff matter.
> 4chan is a privilege, not a right - all we ask is a bit of support for the site, and perhaps a view of the big picture. If you're too short-sighted to see past your intimate connection to one fetish, then you're probably one of the posters we don't really need.
This is a pretty fucking lame kind of moral hipocrisy I had not expected from the 4chan staff. I am seriously surprised and angry enough to wish for this decision to ruin their /d/ board as much as it is able to. I know I will not contribute any pics to that board anymore (hi burichan & iichan).
To be fair, it's not far removed from wakachan's "no guro/loli ever" policy, but at least Lain makes a decent effort to rationalize that instead of telling us complete bullshit like "it's a staff matter" and "wakachan is a privilege, not a right." And doesn't alternately beg & threaten for donations, donations, donations.
To be fair, it's not far removed from wakachan's "no guro/loli ever" policy, but at least Lain makes a decent effort to rationalize that instead of telling us complete bullshit like "it's a staff matter" and "wakachan is a privilege, not a right." And doesn't alternately beg & threaten for donations, donations, donations.
>>16
You're a dipshit.
If you dont like 4chan's policies, then dont go there. The creators of these imageboards have no obligation to you. They're providing a free service, and they get to decide how that service is implemented.
When you moderate your own imageboard, you can make the rules. Until that time,quit being a whiney cocksucker.
> I know I will not contribute any pics to that board anymore (hi burichan & iichan).
That is our whole point.
> the users' constant whining about some content being "not random enough"
I'm pretty sure anyone who says that is just trolling...
Which is why your goal to ever be like Futaba will never come true. You guys can't handle a little anarchy and diversity in taste.
If "no diversity" or "not random enough" means that I can look at WAKAchan's /b/ and find an interesting assortment of goofy or random pictures without having to stumble across a picture of a man butt-fucking a dog or a woman shitting a rainbow of diarrhea on her face, so be it. I come here for entertainment, not disgust.
4chan will never be like Futaba, because it has more than zero moderators.
How is dog sex "diversity in taste"?
> I come here
I wasn't even talking about "here", you steaming pile of half-witted dumbshit.
Oh Anonymous, what won't you post?
If you are referring to me: I have always contributed quality stuff to 4chan (not just BEASTSEX in /d/, but a broade range on all boards), as well as idlechan/iichan and until recently, WAKAchan and 4chan. I have at times stopped contributing to all of those major boards because of issues I had with their respective moderating / administering. Never threw a hissy-fit because of it, and I don't think that I did so in >>15 either. I was just ranting, 's all. And I do not think that THE 4CHAN TEAM is somehow required or likely to take my opinion into account. I am still voicing it here, since I am free to do so (which I would not be at 4chan). There's really no need for any 4chan fan or mod to repeat the generic replies and flames that would come up in any other critical /dis/ thread over there before it would eventually get threadstopped.
>>14
"Random" defies classification out of necessity. Randomness is an equal-probability mixture of anything, be it cute, morbid, insightful, braindead, fluffy, grotesque, dramatic, plain, unique or more or the same. You click the link fully expecting to be surprised and it still surprises you.
To say that random should stand for "mayhem, melodrama, disgust and bewilderment" is to argue against the same point you're trying to make: that you can't put any restriction on random board if it is to remain random.
/b/ is not merely a place to dump everything that doesn't belong elsewhere. It's a place to dump everything, whether it belongs elsewhere or not. The beauty of non-classification is that you don't have to deal with the frustration of digging deep to find something of interest and not finding it. It finds you.
> To say that random should stand for "mayhem, melodrama, disgust and bewilderment" is to argue against the same point you're trying to make: that you can't put any restriction on random board if it is to remain random.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. "Should" in my sentence signifies a moral judgement (based on my personal opinion) with the content or direction you think I was limiting my statement to, but the contrary is true: I believe the WAKAchan admins tried to limit their /b/ to less than that - which I thought I had formulated out rather understandable in indicative modes in the rest of my comment.
Awesome moment in world4ch history:
http://www.world4ch.org/read.php/opdis/1103906923/220
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Shii##6qOZWkcNM2odoz2 at 24 Mar 2005: 03:03
I don't have any sort of admin access to world4ch anymore. Also, moot banned me from 4chan. Currently I don't know why that is.
I want to say that wtfux.org is doing a pretty damn good job at what it is doing.
4chan's new furry board, /fur/, introduced on April 1st but obviously as a joke on those who thought it would be a joke, is going to stay, as it seems. This can only be explained by moot having a heavy substance addiction additionally to the server bills he must pay, so the donations he gets from his money-laundering pedo project not4chan wasn't enough anymore. He had to suck up to the furries and break his age-old promise to never, ever set up a furry board on 4chan. A sad day for the *chans indeed. Anonymous over and out.
Also: The name WAKAchan likely only got chosen because of the connection to Wakaba and its author who are more or less the only redeeming feature of WAKAchan. A more appropriate and less advertising name would probably be Kiddychan or PG13chan
If you check it now, that board is off (it's still on the navbar, but the board itself is 404'd) and apparently all users who posted there were banned for breaking the rule of "no furry content outside of /b/."
It was probably some sort of delayed reaction just to lull the furry crowd into a false sense of security.
I see and stand corrected. Big props to moot & "The Team" for this one!
http://henshinnet.sytes.net/imgboard/
After a little drama, Noelle's board has gone 404.
kiddychan would be no good because it would make it sound like it is distibuting kiddy porn and you talk like wakachan has no adult parts to it, why don't you click on that section that says "adult" and check some of the boards there and still tell me that it is "tame" or "childish" and besides that, do you mean to tell me that in order for an image board to be "redeaming" it has to have an excesive amount of porn on it?
ok I am not going to be nice to you, infact I am going to be blunt. First off, how the hell do you think moot is getting any money off of this at all, he is getting just enough money to pay for the servers from 4chan from the ads on the site, and not4chan has NOTHING to do with him other then it is run by a friend and they suport one another and even if he did keep /fur/ up what would be the big deal, he is catering to the people that go to his site and some of them actualy do like furries, evidently he didn't do that, but still even if he did you would have no right to get all pissy about it, grow up man.
I am not talking about porn, I am talking about WAKAchan's silly safe-for-work atttitude (hiding /b/ behind a warning page, etc.). Grow up, man.
> By entering this section of the website you (the user) hereby acknowledge the following:
> 1. Images and links contained on the 4chan website may not be suitable for minors. A minor is classified as someone younger than 18 years of age (may vary in your place of residence). If it is illegal for you to view the materials contained on these boards, do not proceed
4chan more like juniorchan am I rite?
Well, that's footnotes and you don't actually have to click on "I AGREE" every single time you want to enter (although it used to be that way B.W.T.S. (before wtsnacks))
There's some decent arguments in favour of not allowing adult material (I still utterly hate the term "worksafe"). The main one being that it draws in the wrong crowd - I am not saying that only idiots like porn, but there are quite a number of people who'll only visit the site for the porn, and who will at best only leech, or at worst, post (teenage l33tzor kids looking for porn aren't the most interesting people to engage in discussion). By disallowing porn you attract people who are a bit more dedicated. Of course, you also attract less people.
I'm not saying that's a rock-solid argument, but there is something to it.
That said, I do enjoy 2chan's approach of putting everything in with everything else, but around these parts, people whine too much for it to quite work.
> there are quite a number of people who'll only visit the site for the porn, and who will at best only leech, or at worst, post
I agree. Especially at burichan, the leeching idiots who bump threads all the time with their retarded "zOMG SOURCE NOW!" really get on my nerves.
> That said, I do enjoy 2chan's approach of putting everything in with everything else, but around these parts, people whine too much for it to quite work.
Also signed. You have to be able to let go and let some chaos happen if you want something to really live - I suppose the control freak kind of nature most English admins have shown so far is a vestige from other internet attitudes (register-forums, heavy modding, internet personalities, etc.)
Futaba's /b/ is a great example of a GOLDEN board but even 4chan's /b/ has a long way to go until they'll arrive there. They are surprisingly close, though.
>>36
Actually, it was just because Snacks wanted to go to bed.
> It's just another miscellaneous board with WAKAchan syndrome.
I am afraid you don't get WAKAchan. That's okay, though, most people don't.
> The only special thing is that most boards aren't owned by people banned from 4chan for posting "child models".
lol
> I am afraid you don't get WAKAchan. That's okay, though, most people don't.
"WAKAchan syndrome" -> "entire boards with only one person posting"
> "WAKAchan syndrome" -> "entire boards with only one person posting"
WTFUX has more active posters than WAKAchan has.
Also, every English image board has considerably less posters than 4chan has. So what? Almost the same holds true for Futaba. There is only one other big Japanese imageboard conglomerate (gazo-box) and even that one does not nearly have as many posts as the nation's overlord.
>>52
I don't mind WTFux not getting that much attention. My users get what they want and everything seems to be running smoothly. Although, WTfux being labeled as the 4chan troll hangout is a bit annoying. Yes, many banned members of 4chan are frequent visitors to the site, but (for the most part) they've made it a home. The comment I get most often is, "Why would I want to go back to 4chan? I have everything I need here."
The whole WAKAchan (at least .net) being taken over by iichan.net stinks and shows that the admins (mainly Lain, I assume) have no idea what they are doing and are largely rampaging with their incompetence. WAKAchan was a cool idea of a distributed network, iichan was only a 4chan replacement. Why bring it back (or rather: disguise WAKAchan with the new iichan portal)? Only to please Spiner's ego?
Also, Ghost Freeman!l5AyTkykmA is a fucking faggot and a humongous retard.
Some thing that came to my mind a few weeks ago when /cam/ was temporarily added to wakachan.org....
All imagebord communities are elitist in their own way. Mention another imageboard (other than Japanese ones perhaps) and you instantly get flamed from the local posse, either aggressively like on wtfux or defensive as on wakachan or plain out retarded and dumb like on 4chan.
The funny thing is that this kind of hostility and arrogance is, in general, what all imageboard communites share - it is not something that would set them apart and by that make them special in any way (and wasn't being special the justification for being elitist in the first place?).
Anyway, I just think people should be friendlier towards each other. And if you really care about your imageboard community, don't go elsewhere to flame (okay, maybe on 4chan's /b/) and if you encounter a troll on your boards, ignore them or ridicule them.
And yelling out loud all the time how your imageboard is better than all the others doesn't make you look cool. It makes you look like a troll with an inferiority complex.
Over the last few months, I have learned that 4chan = SomethingAwfulchan
They wouldn't want it elsewise, and they even couldn't be anything else
The whole place is useless except for /t/
Here's an interesting thought expiriment for you:
Say that somebody from yahoo's R&D labs saw iichan/wakachan/4chan/the wakaba software, and pitched the idea to his bosses. They spring on it, and create a large imageboard group a la their groups pages (which are havens for free porn and all matter of nasty things).
What would happen?
>>56
It might be enlightening to look up The Robber's Cave, an experiment in social psychology in the 1950's.
People form groups very easily. More recently it's been noted that people can form groups for something as asinine as whether their coin flipped heads or tails. Really. And they'll go the extra mile for their ingroup.
So I'm not surprised there's the incessant bickering in the *chan community. I like to think IIchan is above that, but I'd be deluding myself.
We're all one big happy family, right? Right?
I wish 4chan could repair their cookie stuff
sage won't be saved, unicode names get garbled...
> unicode names get garbled
God, this one is a total pain in the ass to fix.
Quiet, you cannot even fix the cookies set on here
hehe. It would also help certain people would stop acting like they were 12 years old.
Maybe certain people are 12 years old?
Anyway, >>67 is DQN
While we're at discussing username functionality, how do I get a blank field for the name? In Kareha and Wakaba, I just submit a space but that doesn't work in Futallaby - I know it works somehow in Futallaby, I just don't know how.
I want to pull a 「」
How about a non-breaking space? Alt-0-1-6-0 on the keypad, or just cut-and-paste: -> <-.
Will probably put in a little underline when you sage, though.
how odd.
part two
>>70
No, I want the field to be appear as absolutely empty, not with a space in it.
> Base64-encode it?
Then you'd have to convert UTF-8 encoding to real unicode codepoints in the script, and that's a pain in the ass too. The real trick is that you have to use the %x1234 URL encodings for unicode characters in the cookie strings, but that might mean you have to write your own cookie handling code, AND you have to convert character sets appropriately, especially if the board is not using UTF-8. In PHP it probably depends on which version you're running.
> What if we don't use Windoze?
Linux has some sort of alt-keypad trick too, I forget the details. It's much the same as in Windows, though. Or just cut-and-paste!
> No, I want the field to be appear as absolutely empty, not with a space in it.
There's a few zero-width unicode characters you might use, I think... I remember coda playing with that on some test installation of Kareha. It was some sort of RIGHT-->LEFT switching character.
Posting with a U+202D Left-To-Right Override as my name, and sage.
U+ is just the standard unicode notation. Best way is to open up charmap and use the go to character function. Or you can try using ‭ or ‭, most unicode-aware boards should support that.
Incidentially, the reason those last two work is a really annoying mis-design of HTTP - there's no way to tell the difference between a user typing in ‭, or the web browser converting a unicode character to that entity when sending the content of a form. I'm having to use entity tricks to get these strings to display at all - I'm writing them as &#x202d;.
>>75
Heh, then it's up to you to decide what's more of a pain in the ass. UTF-8 to the correct codepoints, or the long hex notation.
Correct me if I'm wrong (don't know enough about encoding), but can't you take the straight UTF-8 and base64 it? Base64 is perfect for arbitrary binary data, which you could surely interpret UTF-8 as, right?
Alt-keypad: Whatever it is, I'm sure it's nasty. I don't really know what I'm doing in Linux as regards keyboards and charsets, so it's something I stay away from. And copy and paste isn't a real feasible option. Further exacerbated when not in a GUI...
Sure, you can base64 the UTF-8, but when filling in the form elements in the browser, you don't want UTF-8 data, you want a Javascript unicode string, where each character is represented as the Unicode code point. And as far as I know, there's no built-in function to parse UTF-8 to a Javascript string, so you'd have to do it yourself.
You're right though that it's difficult to say which one is more work.
Ahaha~
Bugger.
I'm staying away from it for now. I don't even like the sound of this javascript unicode string you speak of.
Trivia:
On 2ch, when you try to use the U+202D trick described in >>74-78
it results in ‏ in the name field (# of course triggering the tripcode #8207 here)
A humorous piece in a discussion thread on Burichan's off-topic & discussion board¹.
I am No.187, terra is Burichan's admin.
Sadly, the whole Burichan thing has led me to believe that providing porn for free on the internet draws near a HORDE of idiots, something I refused to believe when the argument about introducing NSFW boards was held on iichan².
This is unfortunate for me, as I like porn and am smug enough to think I am not one of the nobrainers I described in my little rant there and yet if I want the porn from here, I have to deal with these guys. Somehow.
Bill Cosby should have written a book on how to raise dumbfuck porn leeches to be upstanding and helpful netizens.
>> UNTITLE 05/08/15(Mon)02:54 No.187
The mods aren't exactly knowing what they are doing on here but they are GENIUSES compared to the average USER. Seriously, the people on here have to braindead, preteens or just fucking idiots. A bunch of ungrateful leechers who are unfamiliar with image board customs and functions, whose sole contributions to the boards consist in bumping threads with flames, repeated requests, starting threads without regard for any rules then complain when they get called out for it, who cannot quote, reply or otherwise use anything wisely that these boards provide... it's like a horde of monkeys on viagara let lose on the internet. Dumbest userbase on the net, seriously.
>> UNTITLE terra!hv8fIUoYQw 05/08/15(Mon)20:01 No.219
I like you. Will you be my friend?
¹http://burichan.pyoko.org/ot/res/28.html
²http://dis.iichan.net/idc//kareha.pl/1102109605/
http://dis.iichan.net/icv3dis/kareha.pl/1107572000
PS: Please disregard all of my spelling mistakes in the quoted post, I was angry, drunk and tired.
4chan has become as bad as 5chan - only without hentaikey but with more nigger jokes.
>>86
Only in /b/. I frequent other parts of 4chan, and those parts are almost friendly. And no nigger jokes.
I don't think >>86 was accusing them of being unfriendly.
Probably not, but it's not exactly what you'd call a functional community in there.
Hey, 4chan was a functional community once... around 2003. Remember the original "girl on the phone" caption contest? The rather nifty redrawing someone did of Osaka on the waterwheel?
Then there was /l/ when it was numbered less than a dozen regulars, trading pictures and having spirited discussions about Lolita... and I've been a pedo ever since
>>90
"My Brother!" </taishi>
wtfux dies (thinks about "merging with iichan", lol)
4chan dies soon (or not? mexico is mysterious)
what's going to happen
iichan to be merged with wtfux (imgboard portal for trolls), feel free to discuss this "permanent move" here:
http://dis.iichan.net/idc/kareha.pl/1127535454
or here:
http://4-ch.net/general/kareha.pl/1127534937
What the hell is wrong with 4chan lately?
Attention whores get promoted to moderator status & get extra birthday sticky threads..
What the fuck? What's the point of anonymous imageboards if everything is about achieving some kind of celebrity status on that site these days?
The whole Otakon thing was so fucking emberassing. "LOL this is saber he is admin of pedo site" "LOL this is moot he is not really mexican" "LOL I am Allyson, I just wanted to say that I made it to the panel!"
And then the whole thing about how you seemingly have to idle 24/7 on their IRC channel in order to get some actual info about the site or some influence...
Does anyone even know who the admin of Futaba Channel is? Or any of the moderators? Apart from the cosplayers, all the users on the photos from their cons (Nijiket & Futaba Only) get a nice Laughing Man on the face. So much for recognition...
4chan however could probably begin selling trading cards of all their tripcode celebrities by now. Ugh.
This whole attention whoring lately is a disgrace to the whole point behind anonymous imgboard software. Not to say that I hate all people who post with names & tripcodes, but it's done to death on 4chan now.
> And then the whole thing about how you seemingly have to idle 24/7 on their IRC channel in order to get some actual info about the site or some influence...
Well theoretically you could do it by posting in Suggestions, but you have to not be a moron to do that properly, and I don't think anyone's figured that out yet
The last thread I made in /sug/ (about introducing FORCED_ANON in /b/) was closed for no good reason. I made another one eventually but I can see why people would just not want to bother anymore.
Then in the thread in /sug/ about where the donation money went it took some serious trolling, flaming and taunting until one of the admins revealed infos. Of course, the thread was also closed...
I think it takes a bit more than just not being a moron on /sug/. Don't know what that is, though.
Futaba's cons are also solely about the users - doujinshi artists, cosplayers, and so on, not about the staff.
I've always liked the anonymous boards because they're centered on community and users. Everybody performs and everybody participates, and popularity is only dependent on how good you are at what you do.
Contrast that to things like blogs, which I am coming to really dislike because they are killing online discussion - you have one or a couple of people who are designated performers, and the rest of the people who'd post comments are only there to be the audience for those who perform.
And it saddens me to see 4chan moving away from the former and towards the latter.
Apparently, .jp IPs are unbanned from 4chan now, but only on /b/.
Something I suggested a long time ago but admins were too lazy to do back then.
Sounds like it could be good.
>This whole attention whoring lately is a disgrace to the whole point behind anonymous imgboard software. Not to say that I hate all people who post with names & tripcodes, but it's done to death on 4chan now.
People can use it however they want, how is that a disgrace? If I have a phpbb site where guests can comment and you aren't allowed to register, is that a disgrace to normal forums? If I pound a screw into a board with a hammer, is that a disgrace to the hammer?
> Futaba's cons are also solely about the users - doujinshi artists, cosplayers, and so on, not about the staff.
How is a staff member not as important as a doujin artist?
> popularity is only dependent on how good you are at what you do.
Apparently they aren't good at coming to meetups, then.
>>102
You might want to read this thread on the many nifty special features of 4chan:
http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1125697859
I link most of them to incessant faggotry that is going on over there.
> How is a staff member not as important as a doujin artist?
Staff members are important in providing a working environment for the users.
If they do that, that's good work and users should be grateful for it.
On the other hand, a site that is almost entirely based on user contributions would not be anything without its users contributing. Valuing mod choices with stickies, wordfilters, etc. are more about putting staff members' opinions and preferences over user preferences than about simply providing a working environment.
Also, after seeing the Otakon footage you cannot deny that the staff was mostly celebrating itself.
> How is a staff member not as important as a doujin artist?
Which is more important, the people who build and run a museum, or the artists who display their works there? Or, if that sounds too pretentious o you, substitute pretty much anything for "museum".
I do a bunch of admin work, and I don't think that's anything but the internet equivalent of manual labor. I also do translations, and I think that's a whole lot more important, even if I am just working with things created by others.
Of course the users are more important than the admins. People who run sites are worthy of praise for putting in the effort, but really, we're exchangable. Doesn't matter if it's me doing it, or somebody else. If we do our work well, we stay out of the way of the users as far as possible. It's the users who make the board and the community.
>>104
The horror! Someone can implement features they want in software!
Sure, wordfilters are dumb. Allyson's birthday thread sticky was dumb. You don't like them? Don't go to the site. Even without them 4chan would still be the mod show.
>>106
It wasn't just about the mods though. People also asked about Cracky-chan and Era had her time in the lime-light. They provide content, but could easily be replaced with any other non-hideous girl. I agree that people being popular because they are mods or friends of mods can be bad depending on the community that you want.
I'm also not sure how the doujin artists fit into it. They aren't really anonymous, even if they don't use a name/tripcode. How does that mess with the idea of everyone being anonymous? Same applies with cosplayers and anyone else, at least partially.
> You don't like them? Don't go to the site.
Shittiest argument on the internet ever, next to "I doubt you can do better so you have no place criticizing!"
> They aren't really anonymous, even if they don't use a name/tripcode.
Why not? Because people recognize their style?
> Also, more artists would leave identifiers on their work.
what
Relevant:
http://www.wakachan.org/os/res/11548.html#11616
> The woman is 東京カステラ(Tokyo-Castella), an net-idol.
> The character is made from her, and she is taken as the administrator of Futaba Channel instead of the real administrator. It is not known that who the real administrator is.
> I don't know why 東京カステラ is taken as the administrator of Futaba Channel, but there is no relation between her and Futaba Channel.
Nobody even knows who runs Futaba Channel, and people made up a cute girl as a stand-in for the mysterious admin.
>>111
I kind of like that most Futaba Channel artists don't advertise their name & sites all the time. As all anonymous contributions, it puts the focus more on the content.
Sure, it makes it difficult to track down the individual artists' sites (if they have any) , but if you know where to look, it's actually pretty easy (circle listings & stuff like that).
> it puts the focus more on the content
What focus? A picture is a picture.
I think that's taking anonymity too far. People who emblazon their work with large logos are annoying, but I'd really like it if more artists left some form of ID on the bottom. It need only be a few pixels wide. If you really must keep the focus on the image, at least use EXIF.
> but if you know where to look, it's actually pretty easy
Uh-huh.
I think 2chan has gone past normally useful anonymity and into "nobody can know my shameful internet hobby".
I think the same.
I also a theory that that's why some *chan/*ch boards like it, and come up with reasons other than that to defend it.
> I'd really like it if more artists left some form of ID on the bottom.
Well, obviously the artists themselves do not like to do that.
> Uh-huh.
It is easy. I know of several webrings and uploaders that are reserved for Futaba Channel artists and their specific websites.
> I think 2chan has gone past normally useful anonymity and into "nobody can know my shameful internet hobby".
Well, that's always been part of the whole concept. It's not like anybody has ever denied that.
>>117
If artists want anonymity, fine. However, a lot of them don't put any identifiers even when the images are completely harmless. Some of these artists put their nicks on some, but not all, images in a completely arbitrary manner.
Furthermore, nobody said they had to put their real name. A nick is... a nick.
> It is easy.
Compare:
a) Look at image.
b) Go to url in image or look up nick in google.
to
a) Look at image.
b) Notice unique features.
c) Go to some ring website(s).
d) Surf around for a while, hoping you'll find the same style.
One takes ten seconds. The other might take hours (or never) if you're unlucky.
>>118
You don't get it. Signing a picture changes the picture a lot. For example, there was this beautiful painting of an apple in my art studio made with three strokes (hard to explain in words), and after a few months the guy decided he needed to put his name on it as well. Now you can notice about twenty strokes, and it looks very different. Even in a complicated picture, adding words to it makes people look at the words to read them.
Steganography needs more love.
>>118
The second method only takes two hours for the first time,
after that you have the website bookmarked and the images archived
in a folder with the artist's nickname.
Also, while searching, you find a lot of other artists you also wanted
to find before.
> Furthermore, nobody said they had to put their real name. A nick is... a nick.
... and a nick is a name is a nick is a name and "anonymous" merely means "nameless".
>>123
Maybe less than two hours... I just overtook that estimate from you, it's really probably much less than that.
And yes, I can find unknown targets pretty fast.
Artists also link each other all the time, that also helps.
Though I do admit it would take me more than ten seconds.
But not longer than half an hour.
I would rather know the artist's website now than waste 10 seconds or 2 hours looking for it.
>>123
I can't read? What are you talking about? You told artists to sign their work and I said there are good reasons not to.
I didn't say they should sign. Here's what I said:
Signatures are identifiers, but the opposite isn't necessarily true. Furthermore, I also mentioned the use of EXIF (>>114).
Actually, I don't like signatures as identifiers anyway, because they're often hard to read.
Speaking as a sometimes (all right, seldom) artist, I think a lot of artists really don't care about any of this. What they want to do, is to draw pictures and show them to people and hopefully people will like what they see, and that's what it's all about. You're asking for signatures or IDs for the reason of organizing and collecting. An artist might really not care about that, and might even find it somewhat creepy.
> and that's what it's all about
You might want to add: Get others to participate (a strong point of Futaba Channel artists' community).
If people advertise their own sites or deviantart pages or whatever all the time, that potentially drives away participation from the place where the art is posted to.
> You're asking for signatures or IDs
I'm asking for IDs so I can track down the artist.
You have to be kidding if you think artists don't like that.
>>132
I think anonymous imgboards simply aren't the place for you to track down artists, then.
>>133
As if a lot of the artists are posting the images there themselves.
I think you're overobsessed with anonymity.
>>134
We're still talking about Futaba Channel, right? Because yes, on the 自作絵 boards most artists post their own stuff, same goes for the oekaki boards there.
I think you're overobsessed with names.
As far as I can tell, most boards everywhere over there are the largest copyright infringement the world has ever seen. Other than a few oekaki boards, most of what I see definitely isn't original. Nobody cares, but all that those CGs definitely aren't being posted by artists.
In short, they're just like here: copying material from other boards, copying it from artist websites, copying it from artist CDs, copying it from games, etc.
> I think you're overobsessed with names.
I'm not the person insisting we should all be a certain way. Unlike someone else, I actually add qualifiers to what I say.
> Other than a few oekaki boards, most of what I see definitely isn't original
Care to point out how you come to that conclusion for the 自作絵 boards? Because only those and the oekaki boards are supposed to be for original art. Of course everything else is a repost from somewhere else (well, maybe save for the neta board and all the photoshops everywhere else). It's not like you just discovered something outstanding or even something that would be relevant to the discussion...
> Unlike someone else, I actually add qualifiers to what I say.
I have no idea who or what you are talking about.
> Because only those and the oekaki boards are supposed to be for original art.
I knooooow, isn't that just convenient?
What about all the others? I wasn't just taking about oekakis, you realize? No, I was talking about the people whom everyone else rip off. You know, co2a, Carnelian, Walpurgisnacht, Yukirin, Mogudan, Taka Tony, Yumenosuke, Arche de Noe, Aoi Nananse, Errors, Fomalhaut, INO, Suigun, Norizou, etc, etc, etc, and a massive number of professionals whose name I still don't know, yet recognize their art (guess why?).
>>140
Then I was mistaken, I thought we were talking about people who contribute anonymously to anonymous imgboards and assumed the artists refered to in this discussion were also the anonymous contributors.
Because, yknow, Japanese artists in general often not signing their works does not have much to do with the topic of this thread (imageboards).
I think you're just upset because you can't set up your DAM properly!
I'd use that as an argument against them (you can't use them for information you only have vague information about), but I'll be nice.
> can't set up your DAM properly
That's partly it, although to be honest, I'm using it less recently. You're right about it being a PITA.
4chan has an official blog now:
Welcome to the blogosphere
(・∀・) LOL ｡･ﾟ･(ﾉ∀`)･ﾟ･｡ ｡ﾟ(ﾟ^∀^ﾟ)ﾟ｡
Quit whining you punk nigger bitch.
With this thread being over a year old, how would any of you consider the past year or so to have been for imageboard communities? Imageboards seem to have gotten more popular--and in turn experienced a large change in the demographic. In particular, lot of people have surprisingly started forming 4chan "subcultures" on certain registration-based communities like GaiaOnline, DeviantArt (before a controversy with some mods started), and SheezyArt (which is said to be modded by "/b/tards..."). Am I just full of it, or what?
>>149
4chan has certainly become a lot more popular. There was massive attendance for its panel at Otakon and its Alexa rankings now rival Futaba's. Slang like weeaboo and gar have started slowly seeping into the general anime online fanbase. On the other hand, for many outsiders the site as a whole is branded as the cesspool that is /b/.
The downtimes this year have also resulted in small diasporas to other image boards. Interestingly, not as many came to iichan, which was the original refuge during the 4th and 5th closings. I don't know how many of those retained the users when 4chan went back up.
I agree. The intent to try and capitalize upon and push said popularity higher is causing problems, I think. The more the site is made to appeal to a broader, more general audience, the worse it will become.
The idea behind posting original art anonymously is that you take no claim for the creation of that art, but post it as a collective creation of anonymous as a whole. Its not supposed to be something about secrecy, its more about being realistic about how much your references are the creators as much as you are, and less egotistical about your own work.
That's why I left. I've never felt compelled to leave a site before, until 4chan. I'm not sure if it was the sheer volume of crap (noise:signal ratio), or simply that I found it to be all too boring. I don't think I'll ever know.
>The more the site is made to appeal to a broader, more general audience, the worse it will become.
Best sentence I have read this year.
Same can be applied to anything, politics, personal relationships, business practices.
I came across this little post on some site. It pretty much explains what is going on on 4chan and 4-ch, and others these days. Just substitute what you want instead of "Reddit"
<quote>
The problem with, say, Internet, in general, is that we (people who enjoy quality articles and thoughtful discussions) are always the minority. Once the words get out, the stupidity of the crowd starts to take over, and we become the second Digg (it kills me to see 'hey reddit looks like a good site i'm moving'-type comments at Digg).
Say Ubuntu or Firefox in any random discussion, no matter how irrelevant, and you always end up with +10 to +20 points. Groupthink is killing reddit. It's clear that 'wisdom of the mass' does not only fail to scale, but actually hurts us in the long run.
</quote>
http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show/boards <-- a furry perspective on the current rash of furry imageboards. Covers fchan, chanplz, onechan, etc. An interesting read, though you might feel dumber by the end.
on an unrelated note, I'm shocked that the so called corporate coolhunters haven't massively capitalized on the raw tap source of new material yet. If they have, than their capitalization of it has been uncommonly subtle.
>>158 I assume it's because *chans are a haven for porn and copyright infringement, and the only reason we haven't been sued to oblivion is that we aren't making any money.
Western image board don't create anything remotely "new".
>>157
the original version of that article was much better.. the writer was bullied by CYD members to take it down and revise it since his views did not reflect theirs.
>>160
as far as coolhunting goes, I was thinking about 4chan in particular. We might not appreciate it's unbridled chaos, but there is a real subculture forming that WILL be exploited by the traditional media groups that require the next big thing in youth culture to survive. First T-shirts, then maybe some stolen jokes on FOX or cartoon network. Imagine "MTVChan"
>>162
what
Anyone who tries to profit/steal memes inevitably gets raided. Take a look at what happened to chanwear... subeta...
>>163
chanwear never got raided... and subeta wasn't even a chan site.. they were just people that enjoyed the chan culture that got invaded by a bunch of idiots that thought a longcat in game item should be met with INTERNET HATE. the funny thing is.. longcat didn't even come from 4chan. it's just a bunch of 'new-age' /b/tards trying to protect their memes... EVEN WHEN THEY STOLE THE MEME IN THE FIRST PLACE (if a meme could even be stolen.)
meme (mēm) n. A unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another.
wency tamo
>>162
Will never happen. Yes, people may capitalize on something such as T-shirts, but you'll never see the whole-sale attempt from any large entity (media, corporate, whatever). Even though some memetics spawned/recycled by 4chan become popular, not everything else there is on par with most people. The full package includes not only the funny cat image macros and Ledonias photoshop templates, but the gore, furries, and good old Captain Picard as well. Copyright issues are the least of anyone's worries with a hotbed of trolls who love to destroy anyone or anything they can for the amusement of it.
If a big entity wanted to tap into the potential of the *chans, they would be best to do so discreetly. Publicly suggesting that you or your company associates with something like 4chan (and thus, /b/) would pose a hell of a challenge for any PR department. Of course, since some of the memes propagate so deep into the web, you can still sell your "Rickroll" T-shirts without needing to know where it came from so long as people are willing to pay for it.
>>167
Seems to me this is sort of what Gaia is doing. Present a nice package of memes without the "eww /b/" stuff, and make people pay.
does anyone know what happened to rechan.da.ru? most of the site was made of failure, but the anonymous core utils thread on /prog/ was pretty cool...
where the hell am I
bump
>>171
It was crap, and using a textboard as a source code repository is amazingly dumb.
please came to my HP http://ameblo.jp/anakin12/
>>173
there wasn't enough code yet to make setting up a source code repository worth it
>>175
Nevertheless, you have to agree that copy-and-paste is about the least efficient way to distribute code.
Well, maybe not. Posting the source in JPEG files would be dumber, but still.
>>176
it's not any worse than sending code in the body of an email, and people have been doing that for years and still do it all the time.
sure, it's inefficient, but apparently it works well enough for a lot of people.
>We'll be back at http://rechan.eu.org/ once everything is set up and the DNS propagates. Check back around April 14th.
Word of wisdom: do not use www.000webhost.com, they terminated the account for "abuse" with no warning whatsoever, and of course they've refused to tell me what exactly happened. My best guess is they totally freaked at the fact that the site was apparently getting 15000+ unique hits per day (that must've been a lot of lurkers...)
4chan's /prog/ has a repository, it's not as if we need it... yet.
We're back, and I also decided to write my own lightweight textboard script in the time span of 14 hours. It's called "REchan r3" and is based on design principles from Kareha, Futaba, and Shiichan. Get it here:
Not everything has been implemented, but most of it has.
>>181
Wait a few hours for DNS propagation, or if you're really impatient, add the IP to your local HOSTS file -- it's at 209.51.196.242.
Have any of you guys considered NOT just stealing 4chan's old page layout?
>>184
DNS has updated at the central servers, maybe it's just your ISP caching an old IP. Also it's just rechan.eu.org, no www.
oniichan@osaka:~$ dig @4.2.2.1 rechan.eu.org
; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> rechan.eu.org
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 53393
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;rechan.eu.org. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION:
rechan.eu.org. 2423 IN A 209.51.196.242
Figured it out:
# nc rechan.eu.org 80
GET / HTTP/1.0
Host: rechan.eu.org
HTTP/1.0 302 Moved Temporarily
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:49:14 GMT
Server: Apache
Location: http://byet.org/web/index.html
Cache-Control: max-age=0
Expires: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:49:14 GMT
Content-Length: 214
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
X-Cache: MISS from web5.byetcluster.com
X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from web5.byetcluster.com:80
Via: 1.0 web5.byetcluster.com:80 (squid/2.6.STABLE19)
Connection: close
...
$ nc rechan.eu.org 80
GET / HTTP/1.0
Host: rechan.eu.org
User-Agent: Mozilla
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
...
It's user-agent fuckery.
>>179
i dunno, i think it's okay to start on a free host as long as you can find something if it gets popular. that way if it doesn't work and you stop caring you haven't spent anything.
that's how fchan started out, and just about when it was pushing the bandwidth limits some dude offered to host it. which was nice. (god knows how it lasted so long on a host that disallowed pornography, but there you go)
There was talk of creating a distributed imageboard system using many dozens of free hosting accounts. Unfortunately I haven't seen anything develop from that.
>>192 that was what wakachan used to be waaaaaaay back when iichan died the first time. We moved away from it pretty quickly though because of how shitty free hosts really are!
Its a process, let it be
Staying fragmented leads to all sorts of infighting like to see one mongo chan, a collection of all the other chans, to be created
However this gives any attacker, be he legal (cia) or not (hired gun), access to bring down ALL the chans
Staying fragmented allows imageboards some degree of freedom and safety, at least until the average joe catches up
Then we have to change tactics again
>>194
You are aware that r4 was an interim solution and not intended for any serious use,right? r4 is no more. There is no r5 either, I abandoned the one-script-per-board idea and went for something more like Shiichan. REchan now uses s0 script.
where can i get Overmind BBS 1.0??
>>197
Jesus Christ. The first post on that board was CP. Looks like the mods aren't planning on deleting it either, they just added a red "user was banned" message. (I think that's what it said anyway, I can't read their moonspeak.)
now it's gone....several weeks later :(
have to lol as it's Swedish (flagfox detects it). I swore their laws were stricter or enforced more...eh
go to http://www.2ch.us/ for a good list
It's probably a proprietary closed source script like 4chan's yotsuba script. It kinda acts like it to when you click someone's post number to quote them, it doesn't automatically bring you back up to the post box like wakaba and kusaba and it's clones do.
Wonder if it has stickies and other stuff like 4chan's script does. Also, what language is it programed in? PHP?
Probably never: http://mise.x25.se/
>I would really like to see the concept of an image board divorce itself from Japanophilia/otakuism.
Then we must stop calling them "chan".
Think about it, so many chans. Here's a short list:
Kona-chan, Tomo-chan, Sakura-chan, Chiyo-chan,
Shin-chan, Yuki-chan, Haruhi-chan, Jacky Chan, OMGKawiidesu^_________^-chan
and many, many more.
5chan.org went up recently. The domain was skillfully claimed by a reddit user, who decided to combine the anonymous image-posting features of 4chan with the voting buttons of reddit.
The result was... confusing. And there weren't many posts on it at all until they created a /34/ board, which immediately got flooded. Three guesses to what it was flooded with.
Innovative? Maybe. But probably won't catch on.
If features made an imageboard, then 99chan would have died long ago with its nonfunctioning "hide thread" and "watch thread" placebo buttons.
Hello test.
I thought that's an interesting idea, but they forgot to actually moderate the site so it's full of trash now. To the extent that it's full of anything.
And worse, saging in a thread lowers the score. That's not how it works :(
So... am I the only one thinking that 4chan has turned to shit on every board possible? That western memes and reaction faces are less and less funny? That no board will ever become the new active and original place on the anglophone internet?
>>213
Everyone has thought this every year since 2005.
It's fun for what it is, you just need to avoid getting too wrapped in it or taking things too seriously.
Adding country flags to 4chan was a dumb idea and ruins anonymity.
Discuss.
>>220
I don't think it ruins anonymity; most boards don't have the country flags.
I don't like how the country flags are forced on boards where they are enabled. It would be nice to have a tickbox to select to display a flag or not.