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If you have a bug to report, it is better to post it on the bug tracker if you can, so it will not be forgotten.

When opening images as zip or cbz files, xee shows the bottom of the first image, even with the option to keep the focus at the top. With the same images not compressed it isn't a problem.

>>398

The arrow key scrolling is just the same as it always was. Command-arrows browse.

>>399

I can't reproduce that. What exact settings are you using?

>>400 I have FIt on screen, always fit opened images on screen, resize window automatically, immediately switch to fullscreen mode turned on. Also fitting options set to horizontally and scaling quality to low. I tried to change the settings but it doesn't fix the problem.

That reminds me, I would love the see the option to always start at the first page (to not remember the page I stopped at). The problem I was talking about actually also happens when opening a file it remembers what page I closed at. So the problem is really when opening of a group of compressed images.

"The item you've requested is not currently available in the U.S. store."

Yes, Apple is being ridiculous about approving it, as usual.

I uploaded another RC in the meanwhile which is not expired yet:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3RC2.zip

>>403
Thanks. Wasn't sure what was going on.
Is there a way to skip having to click 'browse' every time I want to explore a new directory on 10.8?

By accident I removed a keyboard shortcut in 'Preferences'. Can I restore it?

>>404

That's the sandbox for you. If you click browse in a folder, all subfolders will be allowed too, though, so try doing it in your home folder or wherever.

>>405

Click the "x" button.

Please make the following versions of the program the ability to display the next picture from the top, rather than the center of the image as it is done now. Sincerely yours permanent member!

Hi! I really like using Xee and am happy it is developed further. But... looks like RC2 has expired today?

Yes, RC2 has expired. Fortunatley I have a mildly hacked Xee2.2 that can tide me over until either another RC is released or the App Store gets around to approving the release. Thanks, WAHa.06x36, for all your work.

I was hoping to get a version out that uses Paddle rather than the App Store before the RC expired, and it's done and ready to go but apparently I have to wait for them to update the price before I can release it. Hopefully I'll get them to do that today, otherwise I'll have to figure something else out.

All right, http://xee.c3.cx/ is now live. You can download a trial version there, and get a license for it.

At some point, there will most likely be an app store version too, but that as usual depends on Apple, who are amazingly slow.

The current version uses paddle.com to handle licenses. It does have one advantage over the app store version: It is not sandboxed, so no annoying nagging dialogs!

Please report any problems with the activation, or the program.

Also, if paddle.com turns out to be useful, and people like it, I will probably also add The Archive Browser for sale there, so do speak up if you want that.

I bougt Xee 3.0 and very happy with it. I was waiting for this moment for 15 years!!!
Thank you so much!!!
But just keep it as viewer - light and fast, don't add too much unnecessary features. And don't try to make another Photoshop from it.
Only one thing makes me unhappy - that black and white ants while next image is loading :-(

Good Luck!

I really liked Xee up version 2.2 and seeing finally a 3.0 released maked me very happy to see continued developed.
Unfortunately i think that the new version is in the current state too slow to be usable like it was on 2.2. I see from comments that some things will not change, but i find that browsing rapidly even on low quality will trigger the loading grain effect very often. Is not really a problem that this effect appears during loading, the problem is that it take a long time to 'recover' from this state, often seconds where i think the application is trying to catch up by loading all the images skipped and in the during this time the application is kinda freezed.
The reduced performances is noticeable when loading a image folder that has as little as 250 images, but is a lot worser for loading archived files: for example a 16 MB zip with 30 images in it will take like seven seconds to load.
(note that my mac is the latest top of the line 27 imac, so i think i can rule out problems from under performing hardware)
I see that you can't do much for fullscreen, but really the osx style fullscreen is awfully bad if you have a multiple monitor setup. A custom solution is probably harder but the actual mode is really a big step back for multiple monitors.
The fact that the application does not do fullscreen in the screen where the window is positioned is a bug i think: at least Preview will use as fullscreen the screen where the window currently resides, Xee always use the main screen (also it moves the window to the main screen when exiting fullscreen).
I hope that some of the issues can be at least reduced, i really liked Xee and i'm more that willing to pay to a new version that can keep up on the performances.

>>415

Is that with GeForce graphics?

Thank you so much! I just read your reply and immediately bought a license. Thx for all your work releasing this product!

>>416
Yes, the current iMac lineup has for graphics the GT/X 6xx M/X line. In my case it's the GTX 680MX.

>>419

Try http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.3.zip

>>420
MUCH better performance wise. I think that with this version most of the loading related problems are gone for me.
Navigating and skipping a bunch of images does no trigger more the slowdown/semi freezing that i was reporting: it just does the grain for a fraction of second and it recover fastly.
Loading a big folder of images now is faster, a 800 image folder is just a flash wait for the first image to show.
The most improved is archive loading. Large files of 180 mb take just 1-2 seconds, light 20 mb archives are loaded istantly.
(all of this in 'high' setting)

I will use the trial as my main image viewer for the next days and if it works well i will buy a copy.

I think that some things still needs to be addressed tough:

• CPU use is kinda high : without any image loaded is in the range of 2/3%, with a (static) image loaded it's 4/5% and the system process WindowServer shoot up to 4/5% also. If i open another image folder the cpu use will bump up of 2% (this is cumulative: even if don't see a scenario for me with more than 2/3 images open, every time i open a folder the cpu usage will bump up of around 2%)
• Full screen on multiple monitors, specifically the bit that i can't seem to make a full screen on the secondary monitor by placing the window on it and going full screen. Preview does it. (in general, os x system full screen sucks for multiple monitors, so i would prefer a less integrated custom solution. But i see that's not an easy choice: i hope it can be addressed, maybe with Apple finally waking up on this issue)

Thanks for the good work.

>>421

It seems the redrawing of the statusbar was running all the time for no reason. That's fixed. Good thing you noticed!

Also, I finally managed to dig out the parts to set up a multi-monitor setup, so I found the bug that was causing it to use the wrong screen.

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.4.zip

>>422
That's excellent! I just tried the new build and i can confirm that the excessive cpu usage has disappeared: now without windows open Xee is virtually 0% cpu and with a single window is around 0.1/0.2%, with a bump of 0.1/0.2 every window open. The WindowServer process also stays quiet at his usual 0.5/1.0%. In any case, the process is now practically unnoticeable.
Great also for the full screen, i confirm that now is working as intended: the window goes fullscreen in the screen where is positioned. I tried also placing a window in each monitor and for both fullscreen is activated in their proper monitor.

For fullscreen there are some minor graphical glitches, but nothing really important. The first occurs when exiting fullscreen: a 'flash' of the patterned fullscreen background appears for a fraction of second. The second thing happen when doing fullscreen on the secondary monitor: if i go in fullscreen and then return to window just after the animation terminates(using keyboard shortcut), sometimes the secondary monitor remain like in fullscreen, with the black background around the image. Doing any type of navigation or entering/exiting again fullscreen restores the situation.

In any case now that all the major problems for me are quickly gone, i happily payed for the license.

Thanks again!

I’m glad to see Xee has been upgraded. :) Unfortunately, I am missing the color cycling animations of my old AMIGA graphics, which used to work in Xee 2.x (you could toggle the animation pressing [a]). Is this feature going to return to version 3 or am I just unable to see it?

Thanks for this awesome app! :)

>>424

It is meant to be there, but maybe I changed the key for it. Try to look in the menus for the animation stop/start option.

Also, it seems people's complaints about OS X full screen are finally actually getting addressed in 10.9. So I guess that settles that.

>>425

That’s what I did. It’s grayed out in the Frames menu. Start Animation isn’t available; and that’s the only option I could find. It seems to work only for »real« animations with multiple frames, but not for color cycling effects.

>>427

That's probably a bug, then.

>>427

Yes, it was. Fixed now. Should work in the next version.

>>429

Thanks a lot for your quick response and for clearing that up. :)

I am new to Zee and I have been experimenting with various keyboard short cuts.
I would like to be able to copy a photo and send it to another folder.
I think I use copy to Destination #1 etc. How do I set up these Destination folders.
I'm guessing the folder would have the name Destination #1.

But where do I put it?

Thanks

>>431

Use the normal move or copy items in the File menu to open the list of destinations. Pick a destination and it will be automatically added to the list, or else you can drag and drop folders into the list.

I'd like to propose some feature requests, if I may...

1) I've read that you mentioned about having compatibility issues with resizing windows but the toolbar was a very handy and important feature in Xee 2. Please consider bringing it back. Maybe an implementation where user can summon it by hovering over/near the title bar etc...

2) An option to maximize the window instead of toggling between vertical-fit-sized window and horizontal-fit-sized window. Like it was in Xee 2.

3) For mouse-dependant users, ability to zoom with (mouse scroll+modifier key) or even better with (right click+scrolling) while preserving the ability to browse with regular scrolling.

4) Ability to change background color (style independent).

5)A loading indicator instead of noise effect.

6) Option to select whether keep track of recently opened files or not.(Enabling/Disabling recent file list).

7) In app updates. Maybe 'sparkle' or 'update-engine'?

8) Ability to remove geo-tag from image files. I think ExifTool already has this feature. I use a home made automator "app" for this purpose which has a simple shell command 'exiftool -gps:all= -overwrite_original_in_place -preserve "$f"'

Thanks in advance

I need to chime in with #434...
5) Loading indicator... A small progress bar (since large will look silly), or if not possible, given the current codebase, just the current "Style" background with a rotating circle in a matching color.

7) Would be awesome too, but I can download files manually too.

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... a bug report
When you view an image full screen, skip to the next in list, and switch to another screen, a previous image will remain in the full screen preview. When zooming in, the most recent image replaces the one on screen, but you can still change to another screen and see the behaviour again.

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... And a couple of personal requests...

A) Keep releasing non "app store" releases in the future too - the sandboxing in the betas felt bad :( ...

B) Configurable caching (assigned memory or simultaneous loaded image count or a similar measurement), so browsing network shares with photos becomes more effective, given the configured resources and bottlenecks. Some kind of indicator of how much is cached would be nice (% memory, or X out of Y images, with the X counting up for every new image that is cached, or something like that).

Add 5 and B and I'll remain your customer for this lifetime... :)

> When you view an image full screen, skip to the next in list, and switch to another screen, a previous image will remain in the full screen preview. When zooming in, the most recent image replaces the one on screen, but you can still change to another screen and see the behaviour again.

This sounds like an OS X bug. I don't really have much control over what the preview icon shows. It might be worth reporting to Apple.

> Keep releasing non "app store" releases in the future too - the sandboxing in the betas felt bad :( ...

I definitely plan to. It's really good to have a way to release updates without waiting for weeks for app store approval

> Configurable caching (assigned memory or simultaneous loaded image count or a similar measurement), so browsing network shares with photos becomes more effective, given the configured resources and bottlenecks. Some kind of indicator of how much is cached would be nice (% memory, or X out of Y images, with the X counting up for every new image that is cached, or something like that).

I was meaning to do some kind of better caching, but I still haven't worked out what a good model would be. Hopefully it will get done at some point, though.

I just downloaded (and instantly licensed) Xee3 v3.0.5

I am using a very beefy Mac Pro with ATI and the image files are on local HDDs.

The files load very slowly... I get 2 fast ones and then it loads for 4 seconds and I get another 2. I tried fiddling with all the settings, to no avail.

Zee v2.2 did not do this at all. My camera spits out very large pictures and I use Xee to preview through them just after processing from NEF to JPG.

Please help.

>>437

I'm not sure what would be going on there. You could try to get a sample of the process using Activity Monitor while it is stuck loading and send that to me.

It is also doing it on my MBP Retina. Same 2 pics then 4 secs then 2 pics, etc. The Xee 2.2 that the MP and MBP Retina have had for ages worked flawlessly and were lightning quick. Of course, they didn't print or have the new functionality that Xee3 has.

Ok... on both systems, I tried 3.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, and 3.0.5 (couldnt find 3.0.4). They all have the same problem. Went back to Xee 2.2 - perfect. I will be staying with 2.2 until the next release of Xee3 comes out as speed is vital when sifting through hundreds of 20mb .jpgs... I hate having paid for a license that I will not be using until this issue is resolved. Please advise.

Also, I noticed that the [?] no longer zooms way in when you hit it. I use this quite a bit to check for perfect focus. Can this be toggled on/off in Xee3?

>>443

I won't really be able to do anything about it without more information, which is why I'd need that process sample.

>>444

Use the keyboard configuration to set things up the way you prefer.

>>447

The payment system is up to Paddle.com, so report any issues you have with it to them.

I might look into a 1:1 option for Retina for the next release, but if you want to make sure I don't forget, file an issue about it on the bug tracker.