This thread is for questions and discussion about Xee. Before posting, check that the question has not already been answered in this thread, or in the previous thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1122405906/

There is also a bug tracker for Xee here: http://code.google.com/p/xee/issues/list

If you have a bug to report, it is better to post it on the bug tracker if you can, so it will not be forgotten.

>>400 I have FIt on screen, always fit opened images on screen, resize window automatically, immediately switch to fullscreen mode turned on. Also fitting options set to horizontally and scaling quality to low. I tried to change the settings but it doesn't fix the problem.

That reminds me, I would love the see the option to always start at the first page (to not remember the page I stopped at). The problem I was talking about actually also happens when opening a file it remembers what page I closed at. So the problem is really when opening of a group of compressed images.

"The item you've requested is not currently available in the U.S. store."

Yes, Apple is being ridiculous about approving it, as usual.

I uploaded another RC in the meanwhile which is not expired yet:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3RC2.zip

>>403
Thanks. Wasn't sure what was going on.
Is there a way to skip having to click 'browse' every time I want to explore a new directory on 10.8?

By accident I removed a keyboard shortcut in 'Preferences'. Can I restore it?

>>404

That's the sandbox for you. If you click browse in a folder, all subfolders will be allowed too, though, so try doing it in your home folder or wherever.

>>405

Click the "x" button.

Please make the following versions of the program the ability to display the next picture from the top, rather than the center of the image as it is done now. Sincerely yours permanent member!

Hi! I really like using Xee and am happy it is developed further. But... looks like RC2 has expired today?

Yes, RC2 has expired. Fortunatley I have a mildly hacked Xee2.2 that can tide me over until either another RC is released or the App Store gets around to approving the release. Thanks, WAHa.06x36, for all your work.

I was hoping to get a version out that uses Paddle rather than the App Store before the RC expired, and it's done and ready to go but apparently I have to wait for them to update the price before I can release it. Hopefully I'll get them to do that today, otherwise I'll have to figure something else out.

All right, http://xee.c3.cx/ is now live. You can download a trial version there, and get a license for it.

At some point, there will most likely be an app store version too, but that as usual depends on Apple, who are amazingly slow.

The current version uses paddle.com to handle licenses. It does have one advantage over the app store version: It is not sandboxed, so no annoying nagging dialogs!

Please report any problems with the activation, or the program.

Also, if paddle.com turns out to be useful, and people like it, I will probably also add The Archive Browser for sale there, so do speak up if you want that.

I bougt Xee 3.0 and very happy with it. I was waiting for this moment for 15 years!!!
Thank you so much!!!
But just keep it as viewer - light and fast, don't add too much unnecessary features. And don't try to make another Photoshop from it.
Only one thing makes me unhappy - that black and white ants while next image is loading :-(

Good Luck!

I really liked Xee up version 2.2 and seeing finally a 3.0 released maked me very happy to see continued developed.
Unfortunately i think that the new version is in the current state too slow to be usable like it was on 2.2. I see from comments that some things will not change, but i find that browsing rapidly even on low quality will trigger the loading grain effect very often. Is not really a problem that this effect appears during loading, the problem is that it take a long time to 'recover' from this state, often seconds where i think the application is trying to catch up by loading all the images skipped and in the during this time the application is kinda freezed.
The reduced performances is noticeable when loading a image folder that has as little as 250 images, but is a lot worser for loading archived files: for example a 16 MB zip with 30 images in it will take like seven seconds to load.
(note that my mac is the latest top of the line 27 imac, so i think i can rule out problems from under performing hardware)
I see that you can't do much for fullscreen, but really the osx style fullscreen is awfully bad if you have a multiple monitor setup. A custom solution is probably harder but the actual mode is really a big step back for multiple monitors.
The fact that the application does not do fullscreen in the screen where the window is positioned is a bug i think: at least Preview will use as fullscreen the screen where the window currently resides, Xee always use the main screen (also it moves the window to the main screen when exiting fullscreen).
I hope that some of the issues can be at least reduced, i really liked Xee and i'm more that willing to pay to a new version that can keep up on the performances.

>>415

Is that with GeForce graphics?

Thank you so much! I just read your reply and immediately bought a license. Thx for all your work releasing this product!

>>416
Yes, the current iMac lineup has for graphics the GT/X 6xx M/X line. In my case it's the GTX 680MX.

>>419

Try http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.3.zip

>>420
MUCH better performance wise. I think that with this version most of the loading related problems are gone for me.
Navigating and skipping a bunch of images does no trigger more the slowdown/semi freezing that i was reporting: it just does the grain for a fraction of second and it recover fastly.
Loading a big folder of images now is faster, a 800 image folder is just a flash wait for the first image to show.
The most improved is archive loading. Large files of 180 mb take just 1-2 seconds, light 20 mb archives are loaded istantly.
(all of this in 'high' setting)

I will use the trial as my main image viewer for the next days and if it works well i will buy a copy.

I think that some things still needs to be addressed tough:

• CPU use is kinda high : without any image loaded is in the range of 2/3%, with a (static) image loaded it's 4/5% and the system process WindowServer shoot up to 4/5% also. If i open another image folder the cpu use will bump up of 2% (this is cumulative: even if don't see a scenario for me with more than 2/3 images open, every time i open a folder the cpu usage will bump up of around 2%)
• Full screen on multiple monitors, specifically the bit that i can't seem to make a full screen on the secondary monitor by placing the window on it and going full screen. Preview does it. (in general, os x system full screen sucks for multiple monitors, so i would prefer a less integrated custom solution. But i see that's not an easy choice: i hope it can be addressed, maybe with Apple finally waking up on this issue)

Thanks for the good work.

>>421

It seems the redrawing of the statusbar was running all the time for no reason. That's fixed. Good thing you noticed!

Also, I finally managed to dig out the parts to set up a multi-monitor setup, so I found the bug that was causing it to use the wrong screen.

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.4.zip

>>422
That's excellent! I just tried the new build and i can confirm that the excessive cpu usage has disappeared: now without windows open Xee is virtually 0% cpu and with a single window is around 0.1/0.2%, with a bump of 0.1/0.2 every window open. The WindowServer process also stays quiet at his usual 0.5/1.0%. In any case, the process is now practically unnoticeable.
Great also for the full screen, i confirm that now is working as intended: the window goes fullscreen in the screen where is positioned. I tried also placing a window in each monitor and for both fullscreen is activated in their proper monitor.

For fullscreen there are some minor graphical glitches, but nothing really important. The first occurs when exiting fullscreen: a 'flash' of the patterned fullscreen background appears for a fraction of second. The second thing happen when doing fullscreen on the secondary monitor: if i go in fullscreen and then return to window just after the animation terminates(using keyboard shortcut), sometimes the secondary monitor remain like in fullscreen, with the black background around the image. Doing any type of navigation or entering/exiting again fullscreen restores the situation.

In any case now that all the major problems for me are quickly gone, i happily payed for the license.

Thanks again!

I’m glad to see Xee has been upgraded. :) Unfortunately, I am missing the color cycling animations of my old AMIGA graphics, which used to work in Xee 2.x (you could toggle the animation pressing [a]). Is this feature going to return to version 3 or am I just unable to see it?

Thanks for this awesome app! :)

>>424

It is meant to be there, but maybe I changed the key for it. Try to look in the menus for the animation stop/start option.

Also, it seems people's complaints about OS X full screen are finally actually getting addressed in 10.9. So I guess that settles that.

>>425

That’s what I did. It’s grayed out in the Frames menu. Start Animation isn’t available; and that’s the only option I could find. It seems to work only for »real« animations with multiple frames, but not for color cycling effects.

>>427

That's probably a bug, then.

>>427

Yes, it was. Fixed now. Should work in the next version.

>>429

Thanks a lot for your quick response and for clearing that up. :)

I am new to Zee and I have been experimenting with various keyboard short cuts.
I would like to be able to copy a photo and send it to another folder.
I think I use copy to Destination #1 etc. How do I set up these Destination folders.
I'm guessing the folder would have the name Destination #1.

But where do I put it?

Thanks

>>431

Use the normal move or copy items in the File menu to open the list of destinations. Pick a destination and it will be automatically added to the list, or else you can drag and drop folders into the list.

I'd like to propose some feature requests, if I may...

1) I've read that you mentioned about having compatibility issues with resizing windows but the toolbar was a very handy and important feature in Xee 2. Please consider bringing it back. Maybe an implementation where user can summon it by hovering over/near the title bar etc...

2) An option to maximize the window instead of toggling between vertical-fit-sized window and horizontal-fit-sized window. Like it was in Xee 2.

3) For mouse-dependant users, ability to zoom with (mouse scroll+modifier key) or even better with (right click+scrolling) while preserving the ability to browse with regular scrolling.

4) Ability to change background color (style independent).

5)A loading indicator instead of noise effect.

6) Option to select whether keep track of recently opened files or not.(Enabling/Disabling recent file list).

7) In app updates. Maybe 'sparkle' or 'update-engine'?

8) Ability to remove geo-tag from image files. I think ExifTool already has this feature. I use a home made automator "app" for this purpose which has a simple shell command 'exiftool -gps:all= -overwrite_original_in_place -preserve "$f"'

Thanks in advance

I need to chime in with #434...
5) Loading indicator... A small progress bar (since large will look silly), or if not possible, given the current codebase, just the current "Style" background with a rotating circle in a matching color.

7) Would be awesome too, but I can download files manually too.

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... a bug report
When you view an image full screen, skip to the next in list, and switch to another screen, a previous image will remain in the full screen preview. When zooming in, the most recent image replaces the one on screen, but you can still change to another screen and see the behaviour again.

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... And a couple of personal requests...

A) Keep releasing non "app store" releases in the future too - the sandboxing in the betas felt bad :( ...

B) Configurable caching (assigned memory or simultaneous loaded image count or a similar measurement), so browsing network shares with photos becomes more effective, given the configured resources and bottlenecks. Some kind of indicator of how much is cached would be nice (% memory, or X out of Y images, with the X counting up for every new image that is cached, or something like that).

Add 5 and B and I'll remain your customer for this lifetime... :)

> When you view an image full screen, skip to the next in list, and switch to another screen, a previous image will remain in the full screen preview. When zooming in, the most recent image replaces the one on screen, but you can still change to another screen and see the behaviour again.

This sounds like an OS X bug. I don't really have much control over what the preview icon shows. It might be worth reporting to Apple.

> Keep releasing non "app store" releases in the future too - the sandboxing in the betas felt bad :( ...

I definitely plan to. It's really good to have a way to release updates without waiting for weeks for app store approval

> Configurable caching (assigned memory or simultaneous loaded image count or a similar measurement), so browsing network shares with photos becomes more effective, given the configured resources and bottlenecks. Some kind of indicator of how much is cached would be nice (% memory, or X out of Y images, with the X counting up for every new image that is cached, or something like that).

I was meaning to do some kind of better caching, but I still haven't worked out what a good model would be. Hopefully it will get done at some point, though.

I just downloaded (and instantly licensed) Xee3 v3.0.5

I am using a very beefy Mac Pro with ATI and the image files are on local HDDs.

The files load very slowly... I get 2 fast ones and then it loads for 4 seconds and I get another 2. I tried fiddling with all the settings, to no avail.

Zee v2.2 did not do this at all. My camera spits out very large pictures and I use Xee to preview through them just after processing from NEF to JPG.

Please help.

>>437

I'm not sure what would be going on there. You could try to get a sample of the process using Activity Monitor while it is stuck loading and send that to me.

It is also doing it on my MBP Retina. Same 2 pics then 4 secs then 2 pics, etc. The Xee 2.2 that the MP and MBP Retina have had for ages worked flawlessly and were lightning quick. Of course, they didn't print or have the new functionality that Xee3 has.

Ok... on both systems, I tried 3.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, and 3.0.5 (couldnt find 3.0.4). They all have the same problem. Went back to Xee 2.2 - perfect. I will be staying with 2.2 until the next release of Xee3 comes out as speed is vital when sifting through hundreds of 20mb .jpgs... I hate having paid for a license that I will not be using until this issue is resolved. Please advise.

Also, I noticed that the [?] no longer zooms way in when you hit it. I use this quite a bit to check for perfect focus. Can this be toggled on/off in Xee3?

>>443

I won't really be able to do anything about it without more information, which is why I'd need that process sample.

>>444

Use the keyboard configuration to set things up the way you prefer.

>>447

The payment system is up to Paddle.com, so report any issues you have with it to them.

I might look into a 1:1 option for Retina for the next release, but if you want to make sure I don't forget, file an issue about it on the bug tracker.

are you still going to release an app store version? i want to buy it but i'm wary of using paddle.com.

>>449

Ask Apple. I've never seen them drag their feet this much.

great app. waiting to buy it from the app store

3.0.6 has been released:

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.6.zip

This one has an updated version of Paddle that allows you to buy with PayPal. Also has slightly toned down noise while loading for those who find it too distracting. Also, that colour cycling bugfix from earlier.

Can you make it so hitting the next key when you have an image open that doesn't fit the window first scrolls to the bottom, then if you're already on the bottom it skips to the next image? It'd be way convenient for comics. It's the default behavior of http://dancingtortoise.com/simplecomic/

>>454

I might add a separate key for that kind of thing. Currently, you can already do it with touch scrolling, but not from the keyboard.

File an issue on the bug tracker to make sure I don't forget it.

>>452
Damn, no dedicated GPU switch fix?

Hey there, my favorite app developer! Is there a hack to remove the noise/grain effect? Looks amazing. Love all the new icons and everything.

Just updated my OS so that I could try it out. I like everything, but is there a way to turn off the noise/grain effect? Even just a little hack would be nice.

status bar hiding option

As much as I'm absolutely elated that Xee is finally getting updated, I'm not a big fan of v3 and have gone back to v2 :(

• full screen sucks: can you please add "non-Lion+" style FS option? I hate having FS open in a new "desktop". since I use multiple monitors, that gets annoying fast.

• it doesn't preload next image: as I'm going through folder, why isn't Xee preloading next image as I'm pressing space to go to the next?

• that noise effect is annoying as hell: coupled with no preloading, I see that effect all the time and it's driving me nuts. please have an option to disable it :)

that said, Xee3 is amazingly fast and I've paid for it and I'm happy to support you for all the work. I'm sure v3 will eventually become superb!

thanks!

>>460
Mavericks will fix fullscreening.

I'm so happy to see this superb app is finally receiving updates! :) :) :)

In that vein, I hope you will soon implement options to disable the TV noise effect, which is very distracting to me, and to hide the status bar. Until then, I think I'll be sticking with good old v2.2 :)

Also, IMHO, the black style would work a lot better without the white horizontal line on the top bar.

Keep up the great work! :)

>>460

It is definitely preloading. I am not sure why it would not work for you?

On a Macbook Pro, there's no + key without using Shift, so Zoom In with the + key doesn’t work...it's always Fine Zoom. Why not Command + and Command - for zooming, as in most other Mac apps (including Xee 2)?

Great program! Would love this as a default image viewer but I have one issue - which maybe user related - please tell me if I've missed something in the settings ...

I would like to browse only selected images in a folder. If I double click on any image within a folder, all images in that folder are displayed. This is not good for just a quick look nor if you just want to show a few pics to someone (without having to creat a new folder to move those pics into).

Thank you answering and for this excellent app!

>>465

That is just how the program works. I find it quite useful for a quick look, exactly because you don't have to select which files to show, you can just flip through them.

Love Xee.

I've noticed three things that bug me (no pun intended).

1) Speed / noise effect. As others have said, Xee 2.2 is much faster at flipping through images on a remote share (or even on my computer) so the slowdown combined with the noise effect winds up getting me even more aggravated than either of those alone.

2) Retina support. Please please please give us an 1:1 pixel mapping option.

3) Toolbar. Did I miss something, or did the toolbar for manipulating images without dipping into menus disappear? (Super annoying if I want to rotate an image counterclockwise, since there's not even a keyboard shortcut for that).

Another vote to turn off the noise / snowflake / tv static effect, it's not adding to the experience for me and for images that don't require processing time, it's actually slowing things down from being rendered on screen.

> it's actually slowing things down from being rendered on screen.

It isn't, in general. It is only shown while the image is not yet loaded.

When an image is only 50kb and the snowflake is being brought up... then something is seriously wrong with Xee :|

>>470

Well, without a way to reproduce that I can't do anything about it.

If you can actually believe it, Xee is now live on the App Store. Just took a month and a half of multiple appeals and useless re-uploads before they realized they had already OK'd it a long time ago. Geeeeeez.

I haven't heard anything official about the "static noise" loading effect - even after many people complaining about it. Will this effect remain? Will it be configurable? My evaluation period is over and I'd just like to know what the official response to these complaints are before purchasing.

Hi, I have been using Xee for years and just LOVE it.

I am to buy Xee3 (currently using the demo) but may I ask you something : I would NEED an option to disable antialiasing as in Xee2.

It is one of the reason I use Xee as my default image viewer.

(Though I have discovered that depressing the arrow keys actually disable the antialiasing :-) but this will not work if the image is zoomed in or out, since the arrow keys scroll the image )

Thank you in advance !!

Best regards.

In addition : the arrow keys disable the antialiasing only when "scaling quality" is "low".

In addition : the arrow keys disable the antialiasing only when "scaling quality" is "low".

>>474

What exactly do you need this for?

Hi,

when I browse a pictures folder, this allows me to very quickly see the pictures that are not perfectly in focus, so that I can delete them, without having to look at them at 100%.

Also I must say that antialiased images always look blurred to me...
I don't like that, and most often watch my pictures without antialiasing (with Xee2, or ViewIt).

One more thing : it would be great to be able to choose the background color, as with Xee2.

I use a Macbook Pro with a black frame around the display.
When watching 3:2 ratio images, I have a grey strip on each side of the image, which is not nice.
With Xee2 I chose black for background color = no grey strips.

Other than that, Xee3 is great, thank you so much for creating it.
I love it.
And will help you by buying it.
Cheers.

Just go to any folder with around 50-100 files, all around 50kb. Go to Google Images, search for "basketball" and download all the thumbnails. Open the folder with Xee and scroll with a mouse. You will get the snowflake effect. These files are all less than 50kb.

I'm on a 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 with 32GB RAM and a 5770 GPU.

PS - I bought Xee 3 the day it was released. I may sound like I'm griping but I've been a long time user and am happy with your product. I'm sure you like the static/snowflake noise effect as may other users, but adding an option to turn it off doesn't seem to be a really tough deal.

>>479

That is probably just that OS X can not create that many loader processes that fast, and will lag a bit if you flip through very many images quickly. I wish there was a way to deal with that but I haven't found one. Turning off the loading animation is not going to change anything there.

Just a question, how are updates handled for the Paddle version?

>>481

Manually, for now.

How about the static effect. Will it be possible to disable it or not?

>>483

As I said, I'll be adding some options later.

In xee v2 i mapped my middle mouse button to the keystroke for "shrink to fit". I could toggle between shrink to fit and actual size by pressing the button. This behavior seems to be missing in v3. Both the "actual size" and "fit on screen" actions do not toggle. Is there a way to do this now in v3 or is the functionality missing?

>>486

Yeah, the shrink to fit flag works slightly differently now.

The Static screen is horribly distracting when browsing images. I think I'm going back to Xee2 until you add an option to remove it.

The Static screen is horribly distracting when browsing images. I think I'm going back to Xee2 until you add an option to remove it.

So, 3.1 has been released. The App Store version is not there yet but will follow shortly. Changes are:

• Options for different loading animations.
• Directional browsing keyboard shortcuts now also scroll the image.
• Better colour matching, with support for multiple monitors with different colour profiles.
• Added an option for whether Xee should use the discrete GPU on machines that have one.
• Added separate options for which file types to open from the Finder, and which to browse.
• Fixed crashing on 10.9 in the non-App Store version.
• Some tweaks for keyboard shortcuts, and better functionality on the dvorak-qwerty layout.
• Bug fixes for the infamous PSD loader.
• Add quantization table detection for many Olympus cameras.

Since we are no longer in AppStore, how about an option to disable lion fullscreen mode?

>>491

It would require a lot of work for very little benefit, so not likely to happen. Fullscreen will work better in 10.9 anyway.

3.1 should be live on the app store too now.

How hard would it be to implement a way to use a MAS bought copy to unlock the non-sandboxed version, like Coda? https://panic.com/coda/support.html

>>494

I've been thinking about it. I'd have to either interface with the paddle.com license system, though, or create a third version. Both are a bit of a pain so I haven't done it yet, but it's something I would ideally like to do.

When switching between images with multitouch swipe, the option to focus on the top right or left corner works, but when I switch with a keyboard shortcut it doesn't.

Also, when I open a file, it doesn't focus on the top, but that was already happening before the latest update.

>>496

File an issue on the bug tracker to remind me to look into it when I get around to the next round of updates.

Thanks for adding optional "loader" screens; now I felt comfortable paying up... :)
Please see the attached GIF (it causes a Xee crash).

>>499

Interesting, I'll have a look into what is going on with that one.