Xee, part 2 (630)

1 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2009-07-22 10:34 ID:J9qvJKxH [Del]

This thread is for questions and discussion about Xee. Before posting, check that the question has not already been answered in this thread, or in the previous thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1122405906/

There is also a bug tracker for Xee here: http://code.google.com/p/xee/issues/list

If you have a bug to report, it is better to post it on the bug tracker if you can, so it will not be forgotten.

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356 Name: TacoLove : 2013-03-16 13:36 ID:oMbUCpKB [Del]

The Xee3 beta looks very promising!
I'd like to chip in a feature request. It would be marvellous if preloading was more configurable max number of photos to load, or perhaps an upper memory limit.

357 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-16 19:45 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

All right, here is a new version which mostly fixes things reported earlier in this thread:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta3.zip

  • Changed to a better colour matching mode, which should fix some miscoloured images.
  • Mouse pointer should now hide in fullscreen mode.
  • Added an option in the prefs window for where to focus when switching images.
  • Added an option in the prefs window for entering fullscreen mode automatically.
  • Now saves window position.
  • Added a kludge for GMA950 to make it use extra bad rendering in the hopes that it will at least show SOMETHING.

358 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-16 21:40 ID:kMSdgp9n [Del]

>>357

Thanks for your job. :-)

1) Now, b3 can open PDF file without crash.

2) Thanks to mouse pointer hiding feature.

3) But (cute) TV noise effect is not so good idea usually. I prefer previous loading style of xee 2.2. I want to turn off this effect.

4) >>350 colour matching problem was gone.
But there is still remain a colour matching problem.

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/xee/difference.png

Left is opened in Photoshop, right is opened in Xee 3.0b3. The colour is slightly difference. Result of apple preview app is quietly same of photoshop.

(original fie is here : http://www.kbdmania.net/images/xee/face.psd)

5) Also I hope following features;
- Faster speed !! (especially, loading speed of huge animated GIF file is slower than xee 2.2)
- 2 Page view mode for Comic book reading
- support of MNG file (But it's too minor format)

Anyway, thanks for your support. Please make a better app. Thanks!

359 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-17 05:12 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I prefer previous loading style of xee 2.2.

As I said, the progressive loading is gone and will not return. It was nearly impossible to support already in Xee 2, and prevented lots of other things.

> But there is still remain a colour matching problem.

There are several different ways to do colour matching, which will give different results. Photoshop probably picks a different one. Try comparing with Preview.app instead, that is probably what I will try to match.

360 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-17 07:16 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

Great update, I didn't expect you to fix everything so quickly !
I really can't find anything else to complain about ^^
It's pretty much perfect for my needs, thank you.

361 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-17 19:26 ID:+EDKKkai [Del]

>Added a kludge for GMA950 to make it use extra bad rendering in the hopes that it will at least show SOMETHING.

It works just fine, thank you.

..Seriously thank you, you didn't have to support old, bad computers.

362 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-18 17:27 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>359
OMG. Progressive loading was a reason why I love xee. The feature was very useful fast image skipping.

Xee 3.0, when I roll mouse scroll wheel for fast image skipping, it was displayed only TV noise. I think there is a better solution than TV noise. Because most of modern Macs have a large memory, faster CPU.....

Thank you. Best regards, :-)

363 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-18 18:18 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>362

Almost no image loading libraries have support for progressive loading. Also, using OS X colour matching is pretty much impossible while trying to do progressive loading. These features are really much more important than progressive loading, so it is gone.

364 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-18 18:53 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>327

Also, the bug was remain in beta3.

how to representation;

1) download a file which have a specified color profile from following link.

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/junge_howardkim.jpg

2) put the file with other files in one folder

3) open the file (and open CPU activity app)

4) hit space and shift+space repeatedly, A moment to open the file, xee will suddenly halt, and take high CPU usage.

>>363
I understand. But you'll be able to find out much more faster image loading solution, I believe. :-)

Thanks. Best regard.

365 Name: GokieKS : 2013-03-24 00:39 ID:ouL2kvMH [Del]

I would like for zoom in/out to be an option for the scroll wheel.

366 Name: vit9696 : 2013-03-31 05:46 ID:i9Jzkwnq [Del]

Hello, is Russian translation going to be supported in future? I sent an email with updated localisation to "paracelsus", google code project author. Did I do that right? Looks like google code trunk has not been updated since 2011.

367 Name: bionx : 2013-04-03 16:20 ID:31pRzEL6 [Del]

great!

I thought Xee was becoming another abandoned good os x software.

and just saw the beta now, downloaded, like it. hope you'll gonna fix various performance issues and bugs soon that I'll completely switch to Xee 3.

the one thing I would like to see in xee3 is to change the color of window background only. styles are good but I just want to change background color.

also ability to disabling that tv noise effect while switching between images and show/hide statusbar would be awesome.

greetzzz

368 Name: bionx : 2013-04-03 16:22 ID:31pRzEL6 [Del]

great!

I thought Xee was becoming another abandoned good os x software.

and just saw the beta now, downloaded, like it. hope you'll gonna fix various performance issues and bugs soon that I'll completely switch to Xee 3.

the one thing I would like to see in xee3 is to change the color of window background only. styles are good but I just want to change background color.

also ability to disabling that tv noise effect while switching between images and show/hide statusbar would be awesome.

greetzzz

369 Name: Anonymous : 2013-04-06 16:49 ID:+1UWlr3E [Del]

Can people with discrete graphics cards computer also choose the ultra low quality setting? I'd rather Xee used just the intel graphics on my computer, even at the price of image quality, for battery life reasons.

370 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-07 05:41 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>369

I am not sure there is a way to do that.

371 Name: Bagu : 2013-04-08 22:16 ID:kfx4sj4k [Del]

I'm grateful for your hard work on Xee 3. Will you offer a version without Sandboxing? I keep my images in a very hierarchical manner and there's always new folders, so that constant asking for permission makes v3 a real hassle to use.

372 Name: Doug : 2013-04-11 09:43 ID:TeZZintp [Del]

I love using Xee 2,but the beta 3 version will not work. All I can see when I open a jpeg is a 'fuzzy' screen..like TV interference. Any way to combat this?

373 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-13 19:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>371

If you give it access to a higher-level folder, it will apply to all subfolders too.

>>372

You have probably at some point tried to disable quarantine dialogs in OS X. This breaks many things in the sandbox, and will cause Xee 3 to fail to unpack properly. I highly recommend re-enabling quarantine dialogs.

(Also, once Xee is distributed through the app store, this will not be a problem, since it is .zip unpacking that is causing this.)

374 Name: Anonymous : 2013-04-14 13:44 ID:u1MFNTzK [Del]

Please unban me

375 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-14 15:58 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

All right, one more beta version:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta4.zip

  • A long-awaited feature: Printing now works.
  • Copying and viewing the clipboard have been re-implemented.
  • Re-implemented JPEG quantization recognition, with a new and hopefully better database.
  • Slideshow is back, too.
  • Fixed alpha channel loading for WebP.
  • Fixed some other bugs.

376 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-14 15:59 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

This is probably pretty close to what will be the first release. I am mostly planning on doing a little bit of polish now, maybe fixing bugs if any are reported, and then the next version will be a release candidate. Most likely no further features will be added.

There is much more I want to add, but those things will happen in 3.1 or later.

377 Name: Jo : 2013-04-16 14:34 ID:Rxh+zHHU [Del]

I am getting that fuzzy (bad reception) like thing when I switch between images. I have a set of images I often like to skim really fast through to find the right one. When I use my Mac in bootcamp with Windows, I use Irfanview and it is really really fast. It changes images perfectly with no jitter.

Xee v2 was ok at this, but it still wasn't as fasr as Irfanview on the same computer, and it would have a slow, jitter effect where it wouldn't quite fit the screen with the new image before starting to display the next.

I am hoping Xee 3.x would solve this problem and be really fast. Basically, if I hold down the next arrow button, the screen just becomes "snow". Will Xee 3.x have the ability to quickly flick between images?

378 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-17 17:28 ID:BJLvwYqe [Del]

Hello, it is form today the new that i can read in OS mountain lion/lion the RAF files generated by Fujifilm camera X sries. how can i set Xee to read the small jpg inside a RAF file and not the entire RAF?
Before this upgrade xee was very fast now, it reads the entire RAF and is slow.
thanks

379 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-18 19:13 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>377

That is just how quickly OS X will read the images. There isn't much to be done about it. Some small speedups may be possible still but nothing major, and definitely not until a later version.

>>378

You can't, Xee will just read what OS X supplies.

380 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-19 10:49 ID:BJLvwYqe [Del]

thanks, apple-preview is immediately to open that sort of RAF, i don't understand why xee not.. thanks the same.

381 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-19 16:17 ID:BJLvwYqe [Del]

excuse me, another question; browsing the files using from keyboard (,) and (.) i wish to skip RAF files in the directory. so I have selected in the menu preferences to not use Xee to open RAF files. But this has no effect while i'm browsing, only when i select a single file. So the question is, how can I skip RAF files while I browse a folder?
Thanks for the answer (Xee is fantastic and is fantastic the green logo too don't change it deeply in the next version).
Thanks. Peter

382 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-19 17:05 ID:BJLvwYqe (Image: 2560x1440 png, 4876 kb) [Del]

src/1366416356346.png: 2560x1440, 4876 kb

Tested beta 3, this is what I see while I wait aperture of files; sometimes with jpg for 1/2 sec and for RAF files 5 sec (!). (read above 372 tv interference...)

383 Name: citizentoni : 2013-04-21 02:22 ID:2bn+BFua [Del]

Dear Sirs,
is there a way to have Xee automatically zoom out (shrink to fit) after rotating an image? Because right now you have to first rotate, then zoom out with the "fit on screen" command (option + 0). Just selecting "shrink to fit" in the automatic view options doesn't force this behaviour.
thank you for your support

384 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-21 11:54 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>383

3.0 should do this.

385 Name: again : 2013-04-22 00:38 ID:271DeCnO [Del]

I love this app.. I told everyone with a mac to install it and everyone love it.
the only thing I miss is.. the resize of the images I have a lot of images from my digital camera that are 12 megapixel and to quickly share with other people the only way is to resize them.
I agree that batch resize would be nice to have.. but I can live with that..

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387 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-22 02:55 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

About zoom levels switching images, Version 3.0 beta 4 (15)

Desired: when each image of a series comes up, shrink or expand as needed to fill the screen on this monitor; and then if I wish to further adjust, I can do so. Attempted to set this in the menus: FIt on screen, always fit on screen, shrink to fit, stretch to fit.

Problem: If I zoom in on a portion of the current image, when I move to the next image, I see only the same portion of that one; I am confused. Oh. It has 'remembered' that if I wanted to see only 1/5 of previous, then given me the same 1/5 of the next one.

Comment 341: said

> Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at
> the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before."

to which there was the reply:

> Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one
> so I just left it at this behavior by default.

Hmm.... I think that the question might be usefully asked the other way around - is there a reason for NOT resetting? Or, to be more precise:

(1) The user has said to always begin by shrinking and stretching to fit on the screen.
(2) In addition, after an image was opened in accordance with #1, the user has gone on to further apply additional zoom to one image.
"Given (1) and (2), is there a particular reason for hypothesizing that a #2 should 'win' over #1? Is there a particular reason to hypothesize that a zoom level applied to one image will also be useful for the next one?"

Thank you for your excellent work on Xee, and I am glad to see that there is a new version in progress.

388 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-22 03:19 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

About full screen mode and multiple monitors Version 3.0 beta 4 (15)

I think this may be a limitation of Mac OS X, not Xee, so you would get double plus bonus points for working around it: when one presses splat-F, only one monitor is used, and often the wrong monitor.

Workaround: by contrast, if one puts one image into each of several monitors, and starts several slide shows, the right thing happens, with each remaining in its correct location, and each remembering its setting for Fit On Screen.

So this workaround is 'almost' good enough; the only thing wrong is that there is the window cruft (title bar, bottom bar, etc) and all the screen background; and of course it's not centered.

389 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-22 05:03 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

About full screen, continued from post 388

hey wait... that's a regression in V3 actually - just tried it with Version 2.2 and if I have two images open, one in monitor 1 and the other in monitor 2, I can start two slide shows, and press splat-F on one, then press splat-F on the other - and they run independently, each one filling one monitor.

By contrast V3 beta 4 (15) follows the aggravating model of some other Mac OS X products that splat-F means full screen on one monitor, blank out all other monitors.

390 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-22 08:09 ID:8riGvW3D [Del]

Here is a release candidate for 3.0:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3RC.zip

I'll be uploading this to Apple soon, so unless somebody finds a showstopper bug, this is what will be 3.0.

Changes are:

  • New icons. The previous icon was an old icon by Adam Betts, but it did not have high-resolution versions, so I had to recreate something similar.
  • Various UI tweaks to polish things up.
  • Made app name cuter.
  • Removed some useless files.
  • Tries to detect what kind of GPU you have, and to pick quality level accordingly. May be a bit conservative, so if you end up with Low quality, turn it up yourself.
  • App now quits when all windows are closed.

391 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-22 08:16 ID:8riGvW3D [Del]

>>387

That post is about a different behaviour, which is already fixed. The thing you are describing is entirely by design. It will remain as it is, as it is quite useful in many cases. If you want images to fit on screen, zoom to the fitted size, and the next image will also be fit on screen.

>>389

This is standard Lion fullscreen behavior. I don't think programs have any control over this, unless they implement their own fullscreen, but doing so breaks many other features and is a very bad idea. You should report this to Apple if you want it to change.

392 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-04-22 20:56 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>364 reported bug wasn't resolved in 3.0 rc It is disappointed. I think colorsync logic in Xee have a problem.

Also, there was a new bug.
1) open preferences window
2) close prerences window
3) then, xee3 was unexpectedly quit. there was no warning.

393 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-23 03:19 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>392

Not really a bug, Preview does the same thing.

394 Name: bionx : 2013-04-23 05:31 ID:31pRzEL6 [Del]

I don't know what technical reason behind this but on os x 10.8.3 xee 2 is still faster than xee3 rc. especially that tv noise effect while switching between images restrains me using xee3 over xee2. the implementation/algorithm/whatever cant be kept same in xee3 ? otherwise xee is still my fav. image browser on os x.

395 Name: M4he : 2013-04-23 06:49 ID:yqBhNNw+ [Del]

Just a little feedback to the 3 RC:

  1. Please implement an option to disable the TV noise effect! Suggestion: either solid color (i.e. window background) or keeping the current image until the next one is loaded completely (would be even better but may be problematic with trackpad swipe transition)
  2. Please add an option to turn off the status bar
  3. Would be nice to have an option for switching the transparent image background (chessboard) with a solid color (i.e. window background color)

Apart from that, Xee 3 RC is really nice. Thanks for the hard work!

396 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-23 11:59 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

zoom behaviour:

Hmm, either you have not understood the meaning of my post, or
I have not understood the meaning of the word "Always".

Image 1: only 20% of it is showing because of zoom.
Press key to go to image 2.
Menu option "View / Always Fit Opened Images on Screen" has previously been selected

Given the usual meaning of the word "Always".... why would only 20% of image 2 show up?

Full screen behaviour: believe me, many people have complained to apple about this, for years. No luck. Given that splat-F can be usefully entered twice in V2.2, but only once in V3, that will be enough to keep me on V2.2 forever, which is unfortunate, because there is so much other stuff to like in V3.

397 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-24 02:31 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>396

Note that this says "Opened" images. It only applies when you first open an image, not when you browse.

Also, the full-screen behaviour in 2.2 breaks other things, like switching between multiple fullscreen apps.

398 Name: K27 : 2013-04-27 04:15 ID:Dprw0QpB [Del]

Swipe browsing is nice, but could you keep the arrow key navigation?

It's one of the best features of Xee that blows preview out of the water.

Using spacebar and shift-spacebar just doesn't feel as natural as left and right.

399 Name: Anonymous : 2013-04-28 07:09 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

When opening images as zip or cbz files, xee shows the bottom of the first image, even with the option to keep the focus at the top. With the same images not compressed it isn't a problem.

400 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-28 16:00 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>398

The arrow key scrolling is just the same as it always was. Command-arrows browse.

>>399

I can't reproduce that. What exact settings are you using?

401 Name: Anonymous : 2013-05-01 07:07 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

>>400 I have FIt on screen, always fit opened images on screen, resize window automatically, immediately switch to fullscreen mode turned on. Also fitting options set to horizontally and scaling quality to low. I tried to change the settings but it doesn't fix the problem.

That reminds me, I would love the see the option to always start at the first page (to not remember the page I stopped at). The problem I was talking about actually also happens when opening a file it remembers what page I closed at. So the problem is really when opening of a group of compressed images.

402 Name: Anonymous : 2013-05-08 19:07 ID:H/X7lFIV [Del]

"The item you've requested is not currently available in the U.S. store."

403 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-05-08 20:32 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Yes, Apple is being ridiculous about approving it, as usual.

I uploaded another RC in the meanwhile which is not expired yet:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3RC2.zip

404 Name: Anonymous : 2013-05-09 12:35 ID:hOXcW6Hw [Del]

>>403
Thanks. Wasn't sure what was going on.
Is there a way to skip having to click 'browse' every time I want to explore a new directory on 10.8?

405 Name: Anonymous : 2013-05-09 18:58 ID:0Hc0Cl+L [Del]

By accident I removed a keyboard shortcut in 'Preferences'. Can I restore it?

406 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-05-10 04:03 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>404

That's the sandbox for you. If you click browse in a folder, all subfolders will be allowed too, though, so try doing it in your home folder or wherever.

>>405

Click the "x" button.

407 Name: Averin : 2013-05-27 12:04 ID:LeTMvadF [Del]

Please make the following versions of the program the ability to display the next picture from the top, rather than the center of the image as it is done now. Sincerely yours permanent member!

408 Name: Pär Thernström : 2013-06-06 09:56 ID:9UHCp8zv [Del]

Very happy to find out that Xee is actually alive :) If not to expensive, I will for sure buy it at the AppStore.

Just tried the RC2 and all seems fine, except I really dislike the ants/grey pixels-thingie while the next image is loading. It feels very unnecessary and it kinda disrupts the "emotional flow" while browsing images. Please consider making it optional (if not already, I might have missed it).

Btw, thumbnail support would be great too. Saw this old issue about that and I kinda really like that approach: https://code.google.com/p/xee/issues/detail?id=102

Thanks for a great and fast and slick app!

409 Name: Heribert : 2013-06-07 22:03 ID:zpbbj2Qt [Del]

Hi! I really like using Xee and am happy it is developed further. But... looks like RC2 has expired today?

410 Name: Taper : 2013-06-08 03:20 ID:ZHhrQnYz [Del]

Yes, RC2 has expired. Fortunatley I have a mildly hacked Xee2.2 that can tide me over until either another RC is released or the App Store gets around to approving the release. Thanks, WAHa.06x36, for all your work.

411 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-08 03:40 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

I was hoping to get a version out that uses Paddle rather than the App Store before the RC expired, and it's done and ready to go but apparently I have to wait for them to update the price before I can release it. Hopefully I'll get them to do that today, otherwise I'll have to figure something else out.

412 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-08 08:36 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

All right, http://xee.c3.cx/ is now live. You can download a trial version there, and get a license for it.

At some point, there will most likely be an app store version too, but that as usual depends on Apple, who are amazingly slow.

The current version uses paddle.com to handle licenses. It does have one advantage over the app store version: It is not sandboxed, so no annoying nagging dialogs!

Please report any problems with the activation, or the program.

413 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-08 08:36 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Also, if paddle.com turns out to be useful, and people like it, I will probably also add The Archive Browser for sale there, so do speak up if you want that.

414 Name: Jatayu : 2013-06-08 12:53 ID:Kqd6xxm4 [Del]

I bougt Xee 3.0 and very happy with it. I was waiting for this moment for 15 years!!!
Thank you so much!!!
But just keep it as viewer - light and fast, don't add too much unnecessary features. And don't try to make another Photoshop from it.
Only one thing makes me unhappy - that black and white ants while next image is loading :-(

Good Luck!

415 Name: Fei : 2013-06-08 15:30 ID:dk9xEnyh [Del]

I really liked Xee up version 2.2 and seeing finally a 3.0 released maked me very happy to see continued developed.
Unfortunately i think that the new version is in the current state too slow to be usable like it was on 2.2. I see from comments that some things will not change, but i find that browsing rapidly even on low quality will trigger the loading grain effect very often. Is not really a problem that this effect appears during loading, the problem is that it take a long time to 'recover' from this state, often seconds where i think the application is trying to catch up by loading all the images skipped and in the during this time the application is kinda freezed.
The reduced performances is noticeable when loading a image folder that has as little as 250 images, but is a lot worser for loading archived files: for example a 16 MB zip with 30 images in it will take like seven seconds to load.
(note that my mac is the latest top of the line 27 imac, so i think i can rule out problems from under performing hardware)
I see that you can't do much for fullscreen, but really the osx style fullscreen is awfully bad if you have a multiple monitor setup. A custom solution is probably harder but the actual mode is really a big step back for multiple monitors.
The fact that the application does not do fullscreen in the screen where the window is positioned is a bug i think: at least Preview will use as fullscreen the screen where the window currently resides, Xee always use the main screen (also it moves the window to the main screen when exiting fullscreen).
I hope that some of the issues can be at least reduced, i really liked Xee and i'm more that willing to pay to a new version that can keep up on the performances.

416 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-09 05:41 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>415

Is that with GeForce graphics?

417 Name: Heribert : 2013-06-09 09:34 ID:CDTaar1Q [Del]

Thank you so much! I just read your reply and immediately bought a license. Thx for all your work releasing this product!

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419 Name: Fei : 2013-06-09 15:38 ID:dk9xEnyh [Del]

>>416
Yes, the current iMac lineup has for graphics the GT/X 6xx M/X line. In my case it's the GTX 680MX.

420 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-09 18:49 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

421 Name: Fei : 2013-06-10 01:41 ID:dk9xEnyh [Del]

>>420
MUCH better performance wise. I think that with this version most of the loading related problems are gone for me.
Navigating and skipping a bunch of images does no trigger more the slowdown/semi freezing that i was reporting: it just does the grain for a fraction of second and it recover fastly.
Loading a big folder of images now is faster, a 800 image folder is just a flash wait for the first image to show.
The most improved is archive loading. Large files of 180 mb take just 1-2 seconds, light 20 mb archives are loaded istantly.
(all of this in 'high' setting)

I will use the trial as my main image viewer for the next days and if it works well i will buy a copy.

I think that some things still needs to be addressed tough:

  • CPU use is kinda high : without any image loaded is in the range of 2/3%, with a (static) image loaded it's 4/5% and the system process WindowServer shoot up to 4/5% also. If i open another image folder the cpu use will bump up of 2% (this is cumulative: even if don't see a scenario for me with more than 2/3 images open, every time i open a folder the cpu usage will bump up of around 2%)
  • Full screen on multiple monitors, specifically the bit that i can't seem to make a full screen on the secondary monitor by placing the window on it and going full screen. Preview does it. (in general, os x system full screen sucks for multiple monitors, so i would prefer a less integrated custom solution. But i see that's not an easy choice: i hope it can be addressed, maybe with Apple finally waking up on this issue)

Thanks for the good work.

422 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-10 04:11 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>421

It seems the redrawing of the statusbar was running all the time for no reason. That's fixed. Good thing you noticed!

Also, I finally managed to dig out the parts to set up a multi-monitor setup, so I found the bug that was causing it to use the wrong screen.

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.4.zip

423 Name: Fei : 2013-06-10 06:22 ID:dk9xEnyh [Del]

>>422
That's excellent! I just tried the new build and i can confirm that the excessive cpu usage has disappeared: now without windows open Xee is virtually 0% cpu and with a single window is around 0.1/0.2%, with a bump of 0.1/0.2 every window open. The WindowServer process also stays quiet at his usual 0.5/1.0%. In any case, the process is now practically unnoticeable.
Great also for the full screen, i confirm that now is working as intended: the window goes fullscreen in the screen where is positioned. I tried also placing a window in each monitor and for both fullscreen is activated in their proper monitor.

For fullscreen there are some minor graphical glitches, but nothing really important. The first occurs when exiting fullscreen: a 'flash' of the patterned fullscreen background appears for a fraction of second. The second thing happen when doing fullscreen on the secondary monitor: if i go in fullscreen and then return to window just after the animation terminates(using keyboard shortcut), sometimes the secondary monitor remain like in fullscreen, with the black background around the image. Doing any type of navigation or entering/exiting again fullscreen restores the situation.

In any case now that all the major problems for me are quickly gone, i happily payed for the license.

Thanks again!

424 Name: marc2o : 2013-06-10 09:24 ID:pBh17E7k [Del]

I’m glad to see Xee has been upgraded. :) Unfortunately, I am missing the color cycling animations of my old AMIGA graphics, which used to work in Xee 2.x (you could toggle the animation pressing [a]). Is this feature going to return to version 3 or am I just unable to see it?

Thanks for this awesome app! :)

425 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-10 10:01 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>424

It is meant to be there, but maybe I changed the key for it. Try to look in the menus for the animation stop/start option.

426 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-10 10:29 ID:Heaven [Del]

Also, it seems people's complaints about OS X full screen are finally actually getting addressed in 10.9. So I guess that settles that.

427 Name: marc2o : 2013-06-10 10:57 ID:pBh17E7k [Del]

>>425

That’s what I did. It’s grayed out in the Frames menu. Start Animation isn’t available; and that’s the only option I could find. It seems to work only for »real« animations with multiple frames, but not for color cycling effects.

428 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-10 11:14 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>427

That's probably a bug, then.

429 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-10 11:25 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>427

Yes, it was. Fixed now. Should work in the next version.

430 Name: marc2o : 2013-06-10 11:30 ID:pBh17E7k [Del]

>>429

Thanks a lot for your quick response and for clearing that up. :)

431 Name: tabbRunner : 2013-06-11 19:01 ID:AfOr3XF8 [Del]

I am new to Zee and I have been experimenting with various keyboard short cuts.
I would like to be able to copy a photo and send it to another folder.
I think I use copy to Destination #1 etc. How do I set up these Destination folders.
I'm guessing the folder would have the name Destination #1.

But where do I put it?

Thanks

432 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-12 02:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>431

Use the normal move or copy items in the File menu to open the list of destinations. Pick a destination and it will be automatically added to the list, or else you can drag and drop folders into the list.

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434 Name: tip : 2013-06-12 02:46 ID:gNJ3EGz3 [Del]

I'd like to propose some feature requests, if I may...

1) I've read that you mentioned about having compatibility issues with resizing windows but the toolbar was a very handy and important feature in Xee 2. Please consider bringing it back. Maybe an implementation where user can summon it by hovering over/near the title bar etc...

2) An option to maximize the window instead of toggling between vertical-fit-sized window and horizontal-fit-sized window. Like it was in Xee 2.

3) For mouse-dependant users, ability to zoom with (mouse scroll+modifier key) or even better with (right click+scrolling) while preserving the ability to browse with regular scrolling.

4) Ability to change background color (style independent).

5)A loading indicator instead of noise effect.

6) Option to select whether keep track of recently opened files or not.(Enabling/Disabling recent file list).

7) In app updates. Maybe 'sparkle' or 'update-engine'?

8) Ability to remove geo-tag from image files. I think ExifTool already has this feature. I use a home made automator "app" for this purpose which has a simple shell command 'exiftool -gps:all= -overwrite_original_in_place -preserve "$f"'

Thanks in advance

435 Name: Smee : 2013-06-12 07:50 ID:Bsuuuw8z [Del]

I need to chime in with #434...
5) Loading indicator... A small progress bar (since large will look silly), or if not possible, given the current codebase, just the current "Style" background with a rotating circle in a matching color.

7) Would be awesome too, but I can download files manually too.

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... a bug report
When you view an image full screen, skip to the next in list, and switch to another screen, a previous image will remain in the full screen preview. When zooming in, the most recent image replaces the one on screen, but you can still change to another screen and see the behaviour again.

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... And a couple of personal requests...

A) Keep releasing non "app store" releases in the future too - the sandboxing in the betas felt bad :( ...

B) Configurable caching (assigned memory or simultaneous loaded image count or a similar measurement), so browsing network shares with photos becomes more effective, given the configured resources and bottlenecks. Some kind of indicator of how much is cached would be nice (% memory, or X out of Y images, with the X counting up for every new image that is cached, or something like that).

Add 5 and B and I'll remain your customer for this lifetime... :)

436 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-12 09:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

> When you view an image full screen, skip to the next in list, and switch to another screen, a previous image will remain in the full screen preview. When zooming in, the most recent image replaces the one on screen, but you can still change to another screen and see the behaviour again.

This sounds like an OS X bug. I don't really have much control over what the preview icon shows. It might be worth reporting to Apple.

> Keep releasing non "app store" releases in the future too - the sandboxing in the betas felt bad :( ...

I definitely plan to. It's really good to have a way to release updates without waiting for weeks for app store approval

> Configurable caching (assigned memory or simultaneous loaded image count or a similar measurement), so browsing network shares with photos becomes more effective, given the configured resources and bottlenecks. Some kind of indicator of how much is cached would be nice (% memory, or X out of Y images, with the X counting up for every new image that is cached, or something like that).

I was meaning to do some kind of better caching, but I still haven't worked out what a good model would be. Hopefully it will get done at some point, though.

437 Name: cpeck : 2013-06-13 20:27 ID:aJ8+omxV [Del]

I just downloaded (and instantly licensed) Xee3 v3.0.5

I am using a very beefy Mac Pro with ATI and the image files are on local HDDs.

The files load very slowly... I get 2 fast ones and then it loads for 4 seconds and I get another 2. I tried fiddling with all the settings, to no avail.

Zee v2.2 did not do this at all. My camera spits out very large pictures and I use Xee to preview through them just after processing from NEF to JPG.

Please help.

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440 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-14 02:21 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>437

I'm not sure what would be going on there. You could try to get a sample of the process using Activity Monitor while it is stuck loading and send that to me.

441 Name: cpeck : 2013-06-14 04:57 ID:TFSwqqPI [Del]

It is also doing it on my MBP Retina. Same 2 pics then 4 secs then 2 pics, etc. The Xee 2.2 that the MP and MBP Retina have had for ages worked flawlessly and were lightning quick. Of course, they didn't print or have the new functionality that Xee3 has.

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443 Name: cpeck : 2013-06-14 05:17 ID:aJ8+omxV [Del]

Ok... on both systems, I tried 3.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, and 3.0.5 (couldnt find 3.0.4). They all have the same problem. Went back to Xee 2.2 - perfect. I will be staying with 2.2 until the next release of Xee3 comes out as speed is vital when sifting through hundreds of 20mb .jpgs... I hate having paid for a license that I will not be using until this issue is resolved. Please advise.

444 Name: cpeck : 2013-06-14 07:42 ID:aJ8+omxV [Del]

Also, I noticed that the [?] no longer zooms way in when you hit it. I use this quite a bit to check for perfect focus. Can this be toggled on/off in Xee3?

445 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-14 14:02 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>443

I won't really be able to do anything about it without more information, which is why I'd need that process sample.

>>444

Use the keyboard configuration to set things up the way you prefer.

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447 Name: Michael : 2013-06-17 06:11 ID:TEwrqVlb [Del]

3.0.5 looks nice. Two issues:

1) It was difficult to buy a license. The CC / PayPal info went off screen and the window was unable to be resized so I could see it. Only way I could end up buying was I noticed the side of a text input box on the edge of the screen that I clicked in, and this then centered on the CC info (could not for the life of me find a working link etc. for PayPal even though that was an advertised option). Recommend making window resizable or put CC details on separate screen.

2) Still no 1:1 pixel support for retina displays, despite earlier betas / modifications supporting this. This is the ONLY thing stopping me from really enjoying Xee. I've been a long-time Xee user (many many years), and even donated before, though I would drop Xee if I found a suitable image program that supported 1:1 image display.

448 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-17 06:22 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>447

The payment system is up to Paddle.com, so report any issues you have with it to them.

I might look into a 1:1 option for Retina for the next release, but if you want to make sure I don't forget, file an issue about it on the bug tracker.

449 Name: ajchun : 2013-06-24 22:58 ID:xrBLkKL0 [Del]

are you still going to release an app store version? i want to buy it but i'm wary of using paddle.com.

450 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-25 10:10 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>449

Ask Apple. I've never seen them drag their feet this much.

451 Name: Anonymous : 2013-06-26 13:39 ID:a/pnrdEB [Del]

great app. waiting to buy it from the app store

452 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-06-28 02:40 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

3.0.6 has been released:

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee3.0.6.zip

This one has an updated version of Paddle that allows you to buy with PayPal. Also has slightly toned down noise while loading for those who find it too distracting. Also, that colour cycling bugfix from earlier.

453 Name: bunam : 2013-06-28 14:20 ID:zOmkq/Ya [Del]

thumbnail view +1

454 Name: Anonymous : 2013-06-28 18:28 ID:qap8nEA2 [Del]

Can you make it so hitting the next key when you have an image open that doesn't fit the window first scrolls to the bottom, then if you're already on the bottom it skips to the next image? It'd be way convenient for comics. It's the default behavior of http://dancingtortoise.com/simplecomic/

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