This thread is for questions and discussion about Xee. Before posting, check that the question has not already been answered in this thread, or in the previous thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1122405906/
There is also a bug tracker for Xee here: http://code.google.com/p/xee/issues/list
If you have a bug to report, it is better to post it on the bug tracker if you can, so it will not be forgotten.
Also, thanks, I will get at least some of those fixed.
What were you browsing at the time?
Also, I can't really reproduce the fullscreen behaviors. Are you on 10.7?
>>319 I did disable that annoying message when you open a downloaded app. It creates bugs apparently... I used terminal to enable it again, it's annoying, but it works now. And I guess it's safer :P
for anyone with the same problem, I entered this message in terminal :
defaults write com.apple.LaunchServices LSQuarantine -bool YES
("NO" would disable quarantine and create the bug)
press enter/return and restart your mac
PS: I'll give you my impressions on the beta later ;)
> It creates bugs apparently...
Oh, it does. All kinds. I've tried reporting some of them to Apple but no reaction. It's a pretty terrible situation. It used to be safe to do that, but then with one of the recent upgrades, it suddenly broke all kinds of things, because they left that option in but didn't update things to actually support it any longer.
>>319
Sad news. I really hate apple sandbox policy.
Anyway, I found a another bug.
When I browse files containing following JPG file, xee 3.0b2 take up nearly 100% CPU process. The file is following as;
http://blogfiles.naver.net/20100810_97/howardkim_1281439264397s24Lp_jpg/junge_howardkim.jpg
This is color profile embedded JPG sample. Please resolve this issue. Thanks.
in [keyboard] tab of xee preferences, "scroll up" item was duplicated 3 times.
please check it. Thanks.
Do you think it's possible to add the "Open In..." menu to an image on right-click?
I have to say that I'm disappointed, but then again I only needed the option to fit horizontally for Xee to be pretty much perfect for my needs. I want to like it but I just wasn't able to use it as smoothly as Xee 2.2
Xee 2.2 was so light and so responsive, that 3.0 just feels like a big step back. I don't want to be too hard on this… I know you rebuilt it from the ground up and this is a beta. I hope you take this as constructive criticism and that I made myself clear (English isn't my first language). On the bright side, the app didn't even crash once (except for the quarantine issue).
Fit to screen isn't working; though I assume its due to still using a macbook with integrated graphics.
Though, i'm not having any of the responsiveness issues that I see reported above. It handled my big directory of unsorted images just as well as 2.2.
> The horizontal and vertical swipe option in nice as long as the image isn't zoomed in where it doesn't even work sometimes.
What do you mean by "doesn't work"? If you mean that if you bump into a side, it will not immediately swipe to the next if you start again, that is normal OS X behavior, and nothing can be done about it.
> The scrolling is far from being as responsive as before,
> The app is a lot more processor intensive, it drains the battery at an alarming rate and the fan becomes loud.
If your computer is not very new, make sure to set visual quality to "Low". This is closer to what 2.2 uses.
> The option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar would be great
"Mask"?
http://www.kbdmania.net/images/junge_howardkim.jpg
please try to his link. Thanks.
I agree with you. Also, file browsing speed is slower than previous version.
I see TV noise frequently while turn scroll wheel rapidly for file browsing in 3.0b2. But in xee2.2, It can display all of files no matter how turn scroll wheel quickly.
But I believe 3.0 will be faster.
That image works fine here.
As recorded in the crash log, 10.8.2. It was just a large folder of pictures, not browsing any archives. Maybe some animated GIFs, that would explain the timer callbacks in the logs.
I didn't have any problems with sluggish performance that are being reported here. Even opening a huge folder with some 30,000 pictures Xee opened it and counted them all ridiculously fast (faster than I thought possible, so maybe it's cheating somehow?). Scrolling might've been a little jerky though. You can force the image to load by scrolling down, and then it's fast after that.
>>335
Oh sorry, I forgot to clarify. No image appears, just a blank window with the background color. Also happens with any kind of scaling whatsoever. Basically if its not actual size, I can't see it.
And a fun little effect I just noticed. With scaling quality set to low and fill to screen set; when going to the next image, the image will flicker for a second, before disappearing.
Yes. Only that image works fine. But with other huge files, it occurred problem.
test environment is
Macbook Pro retina 13" / MacOS 10.8.2
For the horizontal and vertical swipe I didn't know this was normal. I used mostly the vertical swipe an if you take your time scrolling it works.
I don't know how I did it, but I managed to deactivate the bouncing/swiping while using it. Does that mean you can give us the choice to disable it? I don't mind it but know others do.
I have to say the thing that I was the most afraid of was the latency and battery draining, but setting the scaling quality to low made it just like 2.2, smooth as butter. I just didn't think my mac was that old :P
When I talked about the option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar, I just meant to hide (the mouse especially).
Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before." I hope this comes back in 3.0 along with the always open in fullscreen option.
Other than that great job, the application is already very stable. Keep up the great work ;)
Check Console.app and see what it is saying. But yes, sounds like your graphics card is too old. I'd have expected it wouldn't even be able to run 10.7 in that case, actually.
> setting the scaling quality to low made it just like 2.2, smooth as butter.
It really needs some way to automatically detect what quality setting to use, but I haven't figured out a good way to do it.
> When I talked about the option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar, I just meant to hide (the mouse especially).
The scrollbars should auto-hide, at least. Do they? The mouse hiding will probably get fixed soon.
> Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before."
Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one so I just left it at this behavior by default.
> I hope this comes back in 3.0 along with the always open in fullscreen option.
I think that if I make it actually remember the window position, which I am planning to, it will also remember fullscreen settings. Let's see.
> It really needs some way to automatically detect what quality setting to use, but I haven't figured out a good way to do it.
If that doesn't work, I would put it at low by default, and let people just see if their mac can handle more.
> The scrollbars should auto-hide, at least. Do they?
They do, I just don't really need them and it can distract from the image while scrolling. But it's really not a big deal, I got used to it. It's the mouse that I would like to make disappear immediately like in quicktime.
> Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one so I just left it at this behaviour by default.
It's just more natural to me to always scroll in the same direction. Or else you have to scroll down one image than up the next and than down, etc...
It's essential for reading comics for instance.
It's isn't an issue when you use the vertical swipe, but since it tends to block when scrolling to fast in the same direction and can get tiring for the hand.
>>342
Nothing cropping up in Console at all. I figured it was just the old gma 950 can't handle it, but I assumed you'd want to know.
>I'd have expected it wouldn't even be able to run 10.7 in that case, actually.
10.7 is the last supported OS for this laptop, and it actually runs pretty well; not as well as 10.6 did; but good enough for someone who just browses the internet and watches youtubes.
> It's just more natural to me to always scroll in the same direction. Or else you have to scroll down one image than up the next and than down, etc...
> It's essential for reading comics for instance.
I much prefer reading comics with swiping, so that's what I optimized for.
What happens if you set visual quality to low?
> I much prefer reading comics with swiping, so that's what I optimized for.
Well yes me too, I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean vertical swiping ?
Because when you swipe horizontally the next page shows the bottom of the page since it stays at the same position.
Or maybe you meant that you don't scroll at all, I would do that too if it wasn't for my small screen.
Xee 3.0 support colorsync. But its support is not so properly.
Here is sample. Following file is captured screen of my MBPR desktop.
http://www.kbdmania.net/images/screenshot.png
In Safari, and Apple preview app, this file will de displayed normally. But in Xee 3.0b2, It displayed yellowish.
Please check this issue. Also, I uploaded ICC of my MBPR. The file is ;
>What happens if you set visual quality to low?
oh, waha. I already answered that.
>And a fun little effect I just noticed. With scaling quality set to low and fill to screen set; when going to the next image, the image will flicker for a second, before disappearing.
So very nearly the same thing.
I can reproduce that, thanks. Looks like there's some second way of embedding colour profiles in PNG that I don't know about yet.
I guess I'll just try to put in a kludge to make GMA950 use extra bad rendering.
Please see following capture file (JPG)
http://www.kbdmania.net/images/screenshot_color_profile_error.jpg
Left and right is ame screenshot PNG file. But left was opened in Xee 2.2, right was xee 3.0b2.
Embedded color profile of PNG was occurred this problem. JPG, TIFF wasn't matter. Please check this issue. Thanks.
The Xee3 beta looks very promising!
I'd like to chip in a feature request. It would be marvellous if preloading was more configurable max number of photos to load, or perhaps an upper memory limit.
All right, here is a new version which mostly fixes things reported earlier in this thread:
https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta3.zip
Thanks for your job. :-)
1) Now, b3 can open PDF file without crash.
2) Thanks to mouse pointer hiding feature.
3) But (cute) TV noise effect is not so good idea usually. I prefer previous loading style of xee 2.2. I want to turn off this effect.
4) >>350 colour matching problem was gone.
But there is still remain a colour matching problem.
http://www.kbdmania.net/images/xee/difference.png
Left is opened in Photoshop, right is opened in Xee 3.0b3. The colour is slightly difference. Result of apple preview app is quietly same of photoshop.
(original fie is here : http://www.kbdmania.net/images/xee/face.psd)
5) Also I hope following features;
- Faster speed !! (especially, loading speed of huge animated GIF file is slower than xee 2.2)
- 2 Page view mode for Comic book reading
- support of MNG file (But it's too minor format)
Anyway, thanks for your support. Please make a better app. Thanks!
> I prefer previous loading style of xee 2.2.
As I said, the progressive loading is gone and will not return. It was nearly impossible to support already in Xee 2, and prevented lots of other things.
> But there is still remain a colour matching problem.
There are several different ways to do colour matching, which will give different results. Photoshop probably picks a different one. Try comparing with Preview.app instead, that is probably what I will try to match.
Great update, I didn't expect you to fix everything so quickly !
I really can't find anything else to complain about ^^
It's pretty much perfect for my needs, thank you.
>Added a kludge for GMA950 to make it use extra bad rendering in the hopes that it will at least show SOMETHING.
It works just fine, thank you.
..Seriously thank you, you didn't have to support old, bad computers.
>>359
OMG. Progressive loading was a reason why I love xee. The feature was very useful fast image skipping.
Xee 3.0, when I roll mouse scroll wheel for fast image skipping, it was displayed only TV noise. I think there is a better solution than TV noise. Because most of modern Macs have a large memory, faster CPU.....
Thank you. Best regards, :-)
Almost no image loading libraries have support for progressive loading. Also, using OS X colour matching is pretty much impossible while trying to do progressive loading. These features are really much more important than progressive loading, so it is gone.
Also, the bug was remain in beta3.
how to representation;
1) download a file which have a specified color profile from following link.
http://www.kbdmania.net/images/junge_howardkim.jpg
2) put the file with other files in one folder
3) open the file (and open CPU activity app)
4) hit space and shift+space repeatedly, A moment to open the file, xee will suddenly halt, and take high CPU usage.
>>363
I understand. But you'll be able to find out much more faster image loading solution, I believe. :-)
Thanks. Best regard.
I would like for zoom in/out to be an option for the scroll wheel.
Hello, is Russian translation going to be supported in future? I sent an email with updated localisation to "paracelsus", google code project author. Did I do that right? Looks like google code trunk has not been updated since 2011.
great!
I thought Xee was becoming another abandoned good os x software.
and just saw the beta now, downloaded, like it. hope you'll gonna fix various performance issues and bugs soon that I'll completely switch to Xee 3.
the one thing I would like to see in xee3 is to change the color of window background only. styles are good but I just want to change background color.
also ability to disabling that tv noise effect while switching between images and show/hide statusbar would be awesome.
greetzzz
Can people with discrete graphics cards computer also choose the ultra low quality setting? I'd rather Xee used just the intel graphics on my computer, even at the price of image quality, for battery life reasons.
I'm grateful for your hard work on Xee 3. Will you offer a version without Sandboxing? I keep my images in a very hierarchical manner and there's always new folders, so that constant asking for permission makes v3 a real hassle to use.
I love using Xee 2,but the beta 3 version will not work. All I can see when I open a jpeg is a 'fuzzy' screen..like TV interference. Any way to combat this?
If you give it access to a higher-level folder, it will apply to all subfolders too.
You have probably at some point tried to disable quarantine dialogs in OS X. This breaks many things in the sandbox, and will cause Xee 3 to fail to unpack properly. I highly recommend re-enabling quarantine dialogs.
(Also, once Xee is distributed through the app store, this will not be a problem, since it is .zip unpacking that is causing this.)
Please unban me
All right, one more beta version:
https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta4.zip
This is probably pretty close to what will be the first release. I am mostly planning on doing a little bit of polish now, maybe fixing bugs if any are reported, and then the next version will be a release candidate. Most likely no further features will be added.
There is much more I want to add, but those things will happen in 3.1 or later.
I am getting that fuzzy (bad reception) like thing when I switch between images. I have a set of images I often like to skim really fast through to find the right one. When I use my Mac in bootcamp with Windows, I use Irfanview and it is really really fast. It changes images perfectly with no jitter.
Xee v2 was ok at this, but it still wasn't as fasr as Irfanview on the same computer, and it would have a slow, jitter effect where it wouldn't quite fit the screen with the new image before starting to display the next.
I am hoping Xee 3.x would solve this problem and be really fast. Basically, if I hold down the next arrow button, the screen just becomes "snow". Will Xee 3.x have the ability to quickly flick between images?
Hello, it is form today the new that i can read in OS mountain lion/lion the RAF files generated by Fujifilm camera X sries. how can i set Xee to read the small jpg inside a RAF file and not the entire RAF?
Before this upgrade xee was very fast now, it reads the entire RAF and is slow.
thanks
thanks, apple-preview is immediately to open that sort of RAF, i don't understand why xee not.. thanks the same.
excuse me, another question; browsing the files using from keyboard (,) and (.) i wish to skip RAF files in the directory. so I have selected in the menu preferences to not use Xee to open RAF files. But this has no effect while i'm browsing, only when i select a single file. So the question is, how can I skip RAF files while I browse a folder?
Thanks for the answer (Xee is fantastic and is fantastic the green logo too don't change it deeply in the next version).
Thanks. Peter
Tested beta 3, this is what I see while I wait aperture of files; sometimes with jpg for 1/2 sec and for RAF files 5 sec (!). (read above 372 tv interference...)
Dear Sirs,
is there a way to have Xee automatically zoom out (shrink to fit) after rotating an image? Because right now you have to first rotate, then zoom out with the "fit on screen" command (option + 0). Just selecting "shrink to fit" in the automatic view options doesn't force this behaviour.
thank you for your support
I love this app.. I told everyone with a mac to install it and everyone love it.
the only thing I miss is.. the resize of the images I have a lot of images from my digital camera that are 12 megapixel and to quickly share with other people the only way is to resize them.
I agree that batch resize would be nice to have.. but I can live with that..
About zoom levels switching images, Version 3.0 beta 4 (15)
Desired: when each image of a series comes up, shrink or expand as needed to fill the screen on this monitor; and then if I wish to further adjust, I can do so. Attempted to set this in the menus: FIt on screen, always fit on screen, shrink to fit, stretch to fit.
Problem: If I zoom in on a portion of the current image, when I move to the next image, I see only the same portion of that one; I am confused. Oh. It has 'remembered' that if I wanted to see only 1/5 of previous, then given me the same 1/5 of the next one.
Comment 341: said
> Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at
> the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before."
to which there was the reply:
> Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one
> so I just left it at this behavior by default.
Hmm.... I think that the question might be usefully asked the other way around - is there a reason for NOT resetting? Or, to be more precise:
(1) The user has said to always begin by shrinking and stretching to fit on the screen.
(2) In addition, after an image was opened in accordance with #1, the user has gone on to further apply additional zoom to one image.
"Given (1) and (2), is there a particular reason for hypothesizing that a #2 should 'win' over #1? Is there a particular reason to hypothesize that a zoom level applied to one image will also be useful for the next one?"
Thank you for your excellent work on Xee, and I am glad to see that there is a new version in progress.
About full screen mode and multiple monitors Version 3.0 beta 4 (15)
I think this may be a limitation of Mac OS X, not Xee, so you would get double plus bonus points for working around it: when one presses splat-F, only one monitor is used, and often the wrong monitor.
Workaround: by contrast, if one puts one image into each of several monitors, and starts several slide shows, the right thing happens, with each remaining in its correct location, and each remembering its setting for Fit On Screen.
So this workaround is 'almost' good enough; the only thing wrong is that there is the window cruft (title bar, bottom bar, etc) and all the screen background; and of course it's not centered.
About full screen, continued from post 388
hey wait... that's a regression in V3 actually - just tried it with Version 2.2 and if I have two images open, one in monitor 1 and the other in monitor 2, I can start two slide shows, and press splat-F on one, then press splat-F on the other - and they run independently, each one filling one monitor.
By contrast V3 beta 4 (15) follows the aggravating model of some other Mac OS X products that splat-F means full screen on one monitor, blank out all other monitors.
Here is a release candidate for 3.0:
https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3RC.zip
I'll be uploading this to Apple soon, so unless somebody finds a showstopper bug, this is what will be 3.0.
Changes are:
That post is about a different behaviour, which is already fixed. The thing you are describing is entirely by design. It will remain as it is, as it is quite useful in many cases. If you want images to fit on screen, zoom to the fitted size, and the next image will also be fit on screen.
This is standard Lion fullscreen behavior. I don't think programs have any control over this, unless they implement their own fullscreen, but doing so breaks many other features and is a very bad idea. You should report this to Apple if you want it to change.
>>364 reported bug wasn't resolved in 3.0 rc It is disappointed. I think colorsync logic in Xee have a problem.
Also, there was a new bug.
1) open preferences window
2) close prerences window
3) then, xee3 was unexpectedly quit. there was no warning.
Not really a bug, Preview does the same thing.
I don't know what technical reason behind this but on os x 10.8.3 xee 2 is still faster than xee3 rc. especially that tv noise effect while switching between images restrains me using xee3 over xee2. the implementation/algorithm/whatever cant be kept same in xee3 ? otherwise xee is still my fav. image browser on os x.
Just a little feedback to the 3 RC:
Apart from that, Xee 3 RC is really nice. Thanks for the hard work!
zoom behaviour:
Hmm, either you have not understood the meaning of my post, or
I have not understood the meaning of the word "Always".
Image 1: only 20% of it is showing because of zoom.
Press key to go to image 2.
Menu option "View / Always Fit Opened Images on Screen" has previously been selected
Given the usual meaning of the word "Always".... why would only 20% of image 2 show up?
Full screen behaviour: believe me, many people have complained to apple about this, for years. No luck. Given that splat-F can be usefully entered twice in V2.2, but only once in V3, that will be enough to keep me on V2.2 forever, which is unfortunate, because there is so much other stuff to like in V3.
Note that this says "Opened" images. It only applies when you first open an image, not when you browse.
Also, the full-screen behaviour in 2.2 breaks other things, like switching between multiple fullscreen apps.
Swipe browsing is nice, but could you keep the arrow key navigation?
It's one of the best features of Xee that blows preview out of the water.
Using spacebar and shift-spacebar just doesn't feel as natural as left and right.
When opening images as zip or cbz files, xee shows the bottom of the first image, even with the option to keep the focus at the top. With the same images not compressed it isn't a problem.
>>400 I have FIt on screen, always fit opened images on screen, resize window automatically, immediately switch to fullscreen mode turned on. Also fitting options set to horizontally and scaling quality to low. I tried to change the settings but it doesn't fix the problem.
That reminds me, I would love the see the option to always start at the first page (to not remember the page I stopped at). The problem I was talking about actually also happens when opening a file it remembers what page I closed at. So the problem is really when opening of a group of compressed images.
"The item you've requested is not currently available in the U.S. store."
Yes, Apple is being ridiculous about approving it, as usual.
I uploaded another RC in the meanwhile which is not expired yet:
>>403
Thanks. Wasn't sure what was going on.
Is there a way to skip having to click 'browse' every time I want to explore a new directory on 10.8?
By accident I removed a keyboard shortcut in 'Preferences'. Can I restore it?
Please make the following versions of the program the ability to display the next picture from the top, rather than the center of the image as it is done now. Sincerely yours permanent member!
Hi! I really like using Xee and am happy it is developed further. But... looks like RC2 has expired today?
Yes, RC2 has expired. Fortunatley I have a mildly hacked Xee2.2 that can tide me over until either another RC is released or the App Store gets around to approving the release. Thanks, WAHa.06x36, for all your work.
I was hoping to get a version out that uses Paddle rather than the App Store before the RC expired, and it's done and ready to go but apparently I have to wait for them to update the price before I can release it. Hopefully I'll get them to do that today, otherwise I'll have to figure something else out.
All right, http://xee.c3.cx/ is now live. You can download a trial version there, and get a license for it.
At some point, there will most likely be an app store version too, but that as usual depends on Apple, who are amazingly slow.
The current version uses paddle.com to handle licenses. It does have one advantage over the app store version: It is not sandboxed, so no annoying nagging dialogs!
Please report any problems with the activation, or the program.
Also, if paddle.com turns out to be useful, and people like it, I will probably also add The Archive Browser for sale there, so do speak up if you want that.
I bougt Xee 3.0 and very happy with it. I was waiting for this moment for 15 years!!!
Thank you so much!!!
But just keep it as viewer - light and fast, don't add too much unnecessary features. And don't try to make another Photoshop from it.
Only one thing makes me unhappy - that black and white ants while next image is loading :-(
Good Luck!
I really liked Xee up version 2.2 and seeing finally a 3.0 released maked me very happy to see continued developed.
Unfortunately i think that the new version is in the current state too slow to be usable like it was on 2.2. I see from comments that some things will not change, but i find that browsing rapidly even on low quality will trigger the loading grain effect very often. Is not really a problem that this effect appears during loading, the problem is that it take a long time to 'recover' from this state, often seconds where i think the application is trying to catch up by loading all the images skipped and in the during this time the application is kinda freezed.
The reduced performances is noticeable when loading a image folder that has as little as 250 images, but is a lot worser for loading archived files: for example a 16 MB zip with 30 images in it will take like seven seconds to load.
(note that my mac is the latest top of the line 27 imac, so i think i can rule out problems from under performing hardware)
I see that you can't do much for fullscreen, but really the osx style fullscreen is awfully bad if you have a multiple monitor setup. A custom solution is probably harder but the actual mode is really a big step back for multiple monitors.
The fact that the application does not do fullscreen in the screen where the window is positioned is a bug i think: at least Preview will use as fullscreen the screen where the window currently resides, Xee always use the main screen (also it moves the window to the main screen when exiting fullscreen).
I hope that some of the issues can be at least reduced, i really liked Xee and i'm more that willing to pay to a new version that can keep up on the performances.
Is that with GeForce graphics?
Thank you so much! I just read your reply and immediately bought a license. Thx for all your work releasing this product!
>>416
Yes, the current iMac lineup has for graphics the GT/X 6xx M/X line. In my case it's the GTX 680MX.