I'm using this now, but I'd like it better if it had these features:

• some way to open a folder from the command line ("open -a Xee ." doesn't work).
• some way to advance to the next image one-handed on a laptop keyboard, possibly with , and . (obvious joke goes here).

>>SATANGET

Xee is a great image viewer.

One small trouble:
When I order the photos by date (timestamp) and then start viewing them, the pictures don't show in date order but in name order.
I set "date modified" of my photo files to the EXIF time stamp (jhead helps wth it) and then want to watch the pictures in chronological order (mixed from several cameras, so names don't reflect chronlogical order), but it doesn't work in Xee.

>>668

What exactly are you doing? Sorting by date works just fine in Xee as far as I can tell.

>>669

OK, I see what you mean. There are two sort orders. One in the "Open" window, and another in "Browse" menu. I forgot about the one in Browse menu. I expect that when I sort files in "Open window" in date order and I open the first file, the files will be presented in the same order as they are shown on Open window - in date order.

Now - I found another problem. When I go to Browse/Sort order, all 3 options are greyed out (by Filename, by Date, by Size). They are grey always: when no windows are open, when "Open" window is open, when picture window is open. Onle when a picture window is open I see a check mark next to "by Filename", but all options are still grey and I can't change the sort order.

So, immediate question is, how can I access these sort order options and change the viewing sort order?

And, less imediate question is - when Open window shows files sorted by date, can they be shown in date order when viewing the photos?

I haven't used Xee very long, but already found it much better than any other image viewer tried. But I have a wish for a feature:

I think it wouldn't make sence to demand lots of new sophisticated features only few are going to use, but almost everybody needs. The trouble is of course that everybody needs different features.

I have suggestion for a solution: Make Copy/Move destination list command also work with scripts and applications, not just foulders. Then it would be easy to launch them with the current image as argument.
(Allowing them to be dragged there would be nice as well, but for start, editing plist is easy enough)

I would personally use it for at least these:

• Perl script that publishes picture in internet
• One that would mail it to one other website
• One that would make it ready to be attached on new email
• Perhaps one that would open the file in metadata editor

None of those are features that would make sence to include in the program, as they are highly special, and require lots of configuration.

> OK, I see what you mean. There are two sort orders. One in the "Open" window, and another in "Browse" menu. I forgot about the one in Browse menu. I expect that when I sort files in "Open window" in date order and I open the first file, the files will be presented in the same order as they are shown on Open window - in date order.

Hmm. You are right that this would be good functionality, but as far as I know there is no obvious way to figure out what sort order the user has picked in the open window. However, it might be worth looking into whether there is a non-obvious way.

Also, those menu options should not be greyed out when you have a picture window open. That is kind of strange.

>>671

Well, you can sort of use the "Open in Editor" for that as it is now, but you have to manage to package up the scripts so they appears as apps, which takes some hacking. But maybe the idea could be useful... You could file it as an issue on http://code.google.com/p/xee/issues/list and I might do something about it whenever I find some time.

Thanks for your reply. Open in editor menu is good hint, but I already have my default editor there, and there is no shortcut keys for the rest. (And I have no clue about OSX programming anyway. But it seems easy enough project for starting point)

But I'll file issue on it. I will of course publish the scripts I that would do those things I mentioned if someone is interested.

Hi

I'm new Mac user but I think Xee is the best image browser I've ever seen (on Mac ;-)) but it lacks one tiny feature. Could you add an info in status bar showing image pixel color under the cursor? It's a small feature but IMHO sometimes very important not only for me :)

TIA

Waha, I heart you and your apps.

I was looking for a nice app that will show me CBR files with 2 facing pages. I think Xee doesn't do this, doesn't it? Too bad, I will have to look for an alternative.

Wow, all I can say is wow. I heard about the UnArchiver from one of the Apple blogs a few months ago and instantly switched to it -- amazing it took so long for someone to produce such a perfect archive extraction utility for the Mac, but you certainly did it.

I have been using the Mac for several years now, and am a graphics professional, so one of my pet peeves was always the complete lack of good, FAST, image browsers. Every single one that I tested was either slow, only allowed viewing of pre-selected images, or had some other silly limitation. (For reference, Polyview is what I consider the gold standard on Windows for this kind of speed and flexibility, though irfanview is more widely known and similar). I can't believe I didn't notice until today that the great programmer behind the UnArchiver also had an image browser! And it rocks, it is 99% perfect, is fast and flexible. I'm in heaven.

The ONLY think I can possibly think of that I'm missing is the ability to show the file name while browsing in full-screen. That's really useful just to be able to know what I'm looking at when comparing a bunch of similar images from a shoot. Really, the status bar (and perhaps even toolbar) could do with the ability to show it even in full screen, and possibly choose which items show on the status bar the way you can customize your toolbar. Or if you don't like changing what "full screen" means, having a mode where the rest of the screen can be set to black while viewing images (if you have photoshop, you can see it has two different "full screen" modes, basically what I'm describing here).

But geez, even if you abandoned the software now (please don't!) I'd be recommending it to all my graphics friends for the next several years. Thank you, thank you :)

>>678

Alphons, try out Simple Comic

http://dancingtortoise.com/simplecomic/

It also has a cool feature to switch to previous/next page by clicking the left/right half of the page.

A question about Xee: It can easily be set to be the default application for various types of files. But it seems to be difficult/impossible to reverse the choice! Xee has a list of perhaps 50 file formats it can open. In Preferences>Formats, you can Select all, and it does indeed select them all (and seems to actually take over at least those files I have examples of). But Deselect all does nothing. Each file type has a selection box. Some of them (e.g., Fax Document) can be unselected. Others (e.g., JPEG Image) do nothing if you unselect them. What controls this seems random - about half the various "raw image" formats can be deselected.

Using Finder to set JPEG files back to using Preview works, and if I exit and reenter Xee the box is deselected.

I think I saw the same behavior with Unarchiver, but in that case when I exited and restarted, it let me Deselect all successfully (and I can't swear that it actually ever failed to work.)

Xee Version 2.0 on OS X 10.4.10.

                                                                                                   -- Jerry

I would like to resize images with Xee. Thx!

>>681

Known bug, already fixed in the development version.

Any chance of ICC profile support? A must have for most colour savvy users.

>>686

I want it, but it's extremely difficult to do. On hardware that supports OpenGL pixel shaders, maybe, in the future.

xee is great, but version 2.0 highjacked my cbz and cbr files and won't let them go... changing the preferences doesn't seem to do anything.

A couple of things…

First I'd like to say this program is amazing. I use it constantly and would be lost without it.

There is a bug and a couple of feature requests.

Bug: OS X 10.5 (9A527) full screen only shows white screen. Images do not display.

Feature Requests:

1. Option to traverse folders. I have a lot of images nested in folders and it's a pain in the nether regions to open each folder individually to display the images.
2. Hide the mouse curser when in full screen while the mouse isn't moving. Nothing bugs me more than to view full screen images and have the mouse in the middle of the screen interrupting the view. Kind of defeats the purpose of full screen in my mind.

which brings me to…

3. Hud window toolbar in full screen and controller similar to quicktime's full screen controller. I imagine that the hud would appear and give the user rotating, image stepping, image copying and moving etc.

Xee's great! What would make my day are two additional features when cropping a picture:

1. The option of selecting a size with the same ratio as the original, e.g. by pressing SHIFT while selecting.
2. The option of getting some of the traditional picture ratios (e.g. 3:4) in either landscape or portrait mode for the selected portion.

>>689

http://doomlaser.com/cursorcerer-hide-your-cursor-at-will/

I am using this little program to hide my cursor globally on idle. It needs to be applied on every start but it does the job.

I love Xee. It works really well. The scrolling is lovely. A couple of requests to consider:

When viewing a large number of images, it would be useful to be able to perform a simultaneous (rotate)AND(shrink to fit). I am starting to get RSI from apple+R then ALT+zero (kidding!)

After a rotate then save, the EXIF orientation tag becomes "unknown". Can its value be modified and saved correctly?

Can we have something like a custom EXIF info window? For example: a small window onto which we can drop EXIF properties from the main Info Window. This way I can display only the properties I like in a compact window. It would also be great if the window could display those properties horizontally like a status bar. Maybe, the status bar can be made to accept a property dropped on it from the info window. Small size is the focus here.

Well, apart from that, I seriously have no complaints. Great work, keep it up, we love you, we kiss you, we applaud!

> When viewing a large number of images, it would be useful to be able to perform a simultaneous (rotate)AND(shrink to fit). I am starting to get RSI from apple+R then ALT+zero (kidding!)

I'll try to think about how to do that correctly. It's really part of a larger interface problem.

> After a rotate then save, the EXIF orientation tag becomes "unknown". Can its value be modified and saved correctly?

Hmm, it's getting set to 0 but maybe it should be set to 1 instead.

> Can we have something like a custom EXIF info window? For example: a small window onto which we can drop EXIF properties from the main Info Window. This way I can display only the properties I like in a compact window. It would also be great if the window could display those properties horizontally like a status bar. Maybe, the status bar can be made to accept a property dropped on it from the info window. Small size is the focus here.

I kind of like this idea, but it seems like a whole lot of work to get right, so it might not happen any time soon.

I take a lot of photos. Then I use Xee to audit and erase those I'm not satisfied with.

My main issue is the pre-caching. I got tons of RAM and it would be great if I could configure the caching to get rid of (by my means) unnecessary loading times.

Any dates on the next release by the way?

Keep up the awesome work!

Hello, I use it Xee constantly to browse me photos. I'ts working fine with may Raw files on Nikon (NEF) and Olmypus e-330 (ORF) but on Olympus e-400 Raw (ORF) I got error "Coulnd't display file "xx.orf".

>>694

Maybe one day I'll make the pre-caching more configurable, but generally that is sort of tricky to get right, so it's not a priority.

>>695

Do the pictures open in Preview?

I love Xee but it always accesses all the files in a folder -- which can be quite a while if there are thousands of photos. I tried highlighting just the photos I want to browse and dragging those to Xee but it still grabs all the files. Is there a way to just browse a selected bunch of files?

Nice stuff!
When for a SVG implementation?
Would be so great!

That would be neat, but SVG is a horribly complex format and there is no way I could implement it by myself, and as far as I know there are no open-source implementations that are anywhere near complete.

Lauri Raittila.

I posted this on Lifehacker, and I think it should meet your needs.

Thought I would share what I have managed to do with Xee.
Thanks to it's ability to open up image editors via the menu interface I thought it would be an ideal candidate for speeding up my digital workflow.
When you have a large number of digital images you want to quickly identify which ones to keep/process further. Enter Xee.
What I have done is create automator workflows which apply a label and add a spotlight comment. The tricky bit is how to make these workflows accessible to Xee. TIf this sounds interesting to you then read on.

1) Save the automator workflow as an appliction. Don't put it in your applications folder just yet!
2) Next you need to open the resulting application in AppHack [www.sveinbjorn.org]
Modify the input file types to include the image types you are interested in, make sure to mark the 'Editor' option for each file type as otherwise Xee wont recognize it.
3) Now move the applications you have created into your applications folder (under a sub-folder to keep things nice and tidy).
4) Right click on some of each image type and check that you can open the image with your applications.
5) Open Xee and check that it recognizes your applications as editors for each image type.

6) Go to SystemPreferences\Keyboard & Mouse. Go to the shortcuts section and add some keyboard shortcuts to Xee to launch your scripts on whichever shortcuts you like!
I have set alt-1,2,3 to set up rankings, alt-x to mark for deletion and alt-c to clear tags.

Hope this is useful to people!

Hello, I liked Xee very much, so I made a translation to Spanish. I sent you the files by email to your gmail account called paracelsus a few days ago. Did you receive them? I'll be happy if next release has spanish translation :) I can help if you need to translate something else.

See you!

>>702

I don't seem to have received them. Either way, there's not much point in sending them to me now, because they won't work with the next version anyway. If you give me an email address, I will mail you when the next version is ready to be translated.

>>703

I just checked out Xee from the google code repository. Is that the most up to date alpha?

>>704

Yes, but it is not guaranteed to even work, and it will change a lot still.

>>705
I was asking more from a developer perspective. I might end up sending you some diffs.

>>703

Okay, when next release is ready, send me an email to my gmail account: mario.arias and I will translate it.

Thanks :)

>>706

I strongly recommend coordinating with me before making any changes, because I tend to re-write and re-organize large parts of the source, and I might easily stomp all over your changes doing that.

Thank you very much for this good piece of app!!! But I would apreciate if you included colour management (just like other people said before)... :)

Is there a way to stop the delete sound effect or replace it with another sound? It becomes terribly annoying after a while.

The next version uses the global OS setting for sound effects.

Love both these apps... hope to see dev continue. One (minor) suggestion is posting dates for the file versions... when I didnt see any I started to wonder if the project was still live. Glad to see the comments are still active!

Hi, first of all, your xee is awesome! I love it! Thank you!
I use it since tiger 10.4.8, and everything just fine. but I just updated to Leopard 10.5 build 9A581 today, and found that there is something wrong with the full screen view. when you choose view the picture in full screen mode, It responsed as a whold gray screen. Hope you can fix it and wait for the new release!

>>713 I can confirm this bug :/
console output:
<code>
27.10.07 00:20:38 Xee[1874] CGSGetSurfaceBounds failed - error 1001 (window:15264, surface:276013567
27.10.07 00:20:38 Xee[1874] CGSSetSurfaceBounds failed - error 1001 (window:15264, surface:276013567, bounds:{{0, 0}, {1680, 1050}}
27.10.07 00:20:38 Xee[1874] CGSRemoveSurface failed - error 1001 (window:15264, surface:276013567,)
</code>

in Leopard(10.5), xee can't link file assocation with ZIP file.
please fix this issue. ^^
Thanks for your development, Good Luck!

in Leopard(10.5), xee can't display image full screen.
only blank screen was displayed.

Please fix this issue. Thanks, Good Luck.

same problem - no full screen (in beta and official 10.5 release)

Same problem with fullscreen in Leopard. Please fix it and keep up the good work!

Thanks
Harald

Same here. Xee does not work in full screen in Leopard. hope you fix it! Thanks!

Gonna have to get a copy of Leopard before I can fix it. It might take a while yet.

Xee fullscreen gives me blank white screen when viewing pictures in Leopard. windowed mode is ok, but fullscreen doesn't work. Will that be fixed, i like this viwer but need fullscreen

thanks

You want this fixed quickly, buy me a copy of Leopard.

I've done italian translation of Xee. Can I send you it?
Another question. Reading this forum, I found spanish, french and german translation. Why don't you release a new version, just to include all avalaible translation made by users of this program? It's a minimal work, but it's usefull to spread of Xee and to increase its popularity.

Thanks for your good application.

Found a bug in Xee that was causing it to go into an infinite loop on the attached image. It gets stuck in the EXIF IFD parsing code. This image that was cropped in Photoshop CS2 looks like it has at least one bad IFD that has a "next" field that references itself. I changed the code to break out if it encounters this situation.

In exifutils.c readifds:

u_int32_t newOffset = offset;
do {

    offset = newOffset;
newOffset = readifd(offset, &(curifd->next), tagset, md);
curifd = curifd->next;

} while (offset && offset != newOffset);

I figured that was better than hanging. But it's possible I've totally misunderstood the problem.

>>727

The exiftags code I'm using for this has a number of bugs. I've fixed some in the development version, but I'm not sure about this one. I'll look into it, thanks for tracking it down.

Why is that I can't modify/change the orientation of a picture? Originally, the orientation is wrong, so I used C and CC to adjust the picture. After that, I saved the picture, but when I reopen the picture, it'd be in the wrong orientation again. What am I doing wrong?

I've even looked under Get Info, and if the image orientation was unknown, after I orient the picture to the right place and save it, it'd still be unknown.

Why is that I can't modify/change the orientation of a picture? Originally, the orientation is wrong, so I used C and CC to adjust the picture. After that, I saved the picture, but when I reopen the picture, it'd be in the wrong orientation again. What am I doing wrong?

I've even looked under Get Info, and if the image orientation was unknown, after I orient the picture to the right place and save it, it'd still be unknown.

I don't know, you'll have to provide more details of what exactly you did. Also check for error messages on the console.

I tracked down that fullscreen bug in Leopard. The problem is that apparently you're not supposed to re-parent NSOpenGLViews. Either use an NSView subclass with it's own NSOpenGLContext or release and recreate the view every time you switch between fullscreen and windowed.

See this email for more info:
http://lists.apple.com/archives/Mac-opengl/2002/Feb/msg00180.html

I tried to change the XeeView to an NSView subclass but I still couldn't get it to work even following the instructions in the email. I'm guessing it's a bug in Leopard since it worked just fine in Tiger. Judging by the date of the email, I'm guessing they counted re-parenting as a bug and fixed it in Tiger and just re-broke it in Leopard.

I was able to get it to work by destroying and recreating the view each time though. Things didn't work perfectly but I suspect that's a combination of me not understanding your code very well and me still trying to get the hang of the new XCode tools.

Hmmk, let me rephrase my question then.

How do you change the orientation of a picture if the EXIF orientation is wrong?

>>732

Ugh, what a mess. Perhaps it might be an idea to just wait for 10.5.1 and see if that fixes it before messing up the code horribly just to kludge this?

>>733

If you rotate it manually and save, it's supposed to work.

I did rotate manually (cmd+r, cmd+shift+r) and then cmd+s
then it'd say cannot save image (or something to that extent)

and when I reopen the picture, the orientation's back the way it was before..

>>735
cmd+shift+s.
cmd+s doesn't work if it is impossible to save losslessly according to Waha.
I've personally never seen it enabled...

But all Xee has to do is modify the EXIF data... And can't I make it so it'd save the orientation automatically, without me having to change the direction, then his cmd+shft+s, then replace the file?

I remember it used to work when Xee was 1.0

Changing the EXIF data is exactly the wrong way to do it. This is only supported by some programs, so when you for instance upload your picture to the net, it will probably be the wrong way around if you rely on the EXIF data. Xee rotates the image data itself losslessly.

I might re-enable the automatic saving that 1.0 used as an option, but it's been disabled for now because most people don't expect a "rotate" feature to immediately change the data on disk.

Apparently there is some kind of bug where cmd+s doesn't work. I've never seen this happen myself, so I'll need more information about this before I can do anything about it.

how would you re-enable the automatic saving??

And also, how would you rotate the picture so that it saves correctly?

Those are not the questions you want to be asking.

o.o
what do you mean??

>>742

I mean that even if I answered those questions, it would not help you at all.

>>742
It's not a technical issue, it's a policy issue. Too many bad decisions or too many decisions wimped out of by adding a preference over the years, and you end up with user-hostile crap like current versions of acdsee.

Also, I have a very unhelpful bug report in Leopard: sometimes the statusbar appears partly black. Happened after trying to go fullscreen then back to windowed, then browsing through pictures of various sizes. I have yet to find precise steps to reproduce the bug. Maybe it's related to the full screen issue in 10.5?

And while I'm at it I'll add a request, not sure if you're gonna consider it since you already have some issues with rotation behavior in general, but I think a "Remember rotation" option that would behave like "Remember zoom level" would be useful: I'm using a LCD that can be rotated by 90º, it would be very useful for example for reading comics. (Of course you can also change the rotation of the display in the system preferences, but it's not as easy as something you could affect a shortcut to directly in Xee, and on some older Macs the UI is no longer accelerated when rotated).

Hi,

Just wondering if there is a timetable for the next release of this splendid program?

Thanks George

No. It is being developed, but I have other things I need to take care of too. It all depends on when I have spare time.

any updates?

>>747
See >>746

And please don't bother a man who does free software in his spare time about when he's going to update.

This software is amazing, it's one of the few that reads EXIF data, but doesn't allow to see and edit the JPEG comment field (JPEG standard allows you to add a comment).

Good work!

Fantastic software. I've been looking for a good viewer like this for a long time. Fast, clean interface, keyboard navigation, auto resizing of window when zooming - awesome!

Three items I'd love to see addressed:

1) full screen doesn't work in Leopard. I'm sure this is high on the fix list.

2) Add basic editing features like lossless rotate and crop.

3) Add a thumbnail view option with a slide control to adjust icon size.

>>750

Uh, lossless rotate and crop are there already.

And the Finder does a thumbnail view already, I still see no reason to duplicate that functionality.

10.5.1 and no bugfix from Leopard's side for full screen view...waiting for Xee's side...

I have been using Xee for quite a while and find it very useful.

I wonder whether in the next version you could have a configure the status bar.

I would like to put selected EXIF options on. ie f/stop, ISO, Shutter Speed, lens

Hi, On Leopard 10.5.1 Build 9818 I can't get Xee to display an image. I get this response by double-clicking a previously associated filetype like jpg; or using Open With from the context menu; or using Open from the Xee menu. The response is a slight screen flicker and s slight spike in CPU. I get the same response when I click on Xee Preferences.

Any messages on the console?

I like the slideshow + auto-rotate features. Is there a way to make it save the images it auto-rotates? It does a pretty good job of picking what to auto-rotate and I would like it to just go ahead and save them.

How can I deactivate Xee as my jpeg default but keep it accessible? I am using Mac 10.4.11

Great work, finally something like irfanview for the Mac!
It is tiny and makes a fast workflow possible! Thanx for the effort!

Did you consider the suggestion of post 690? The fixed
proportional selection would be nice to crop for those online
services that print out photos on 3:4 sized paper. Also having a
predefined square proportional selection would be helpful sometimes.

Irfanview for example shows the selection information
in the title bar: current cursor position, width, height and ratio

cheers,

andy

Hi, I have a PPC iBook with Tiger, and I've been a very happy Xee user for some time now. But recently something strange happens, and I can't understand why and how to fix it: although I have set the default sort order in Xee preferences to be "By Filename", as it always was, each time I open Xee it starts into "By Size" sort order, which is very confusing.

I also tried setting the preferences again, or even setting it to "Same as in Finder", but it still starts in "By Size" mode, and I have to change it by hand each time.

Xee is version 2.0.

Any clues?
Thanks.

I would really like to see a 'Run Slideshow' button on the toolbar.

Great tool!

Thanks

>>760
Just making a few wild guesses since I'm not at my mac right now nor have I ever had that problem.

1. The preferences file could be corrupted,
2. The preferences file could have the wrong permissions.

Try making a backup of whichever file it is, and then delete the original, and try changing the setting again.

>>763
Thanks, but no way, even with clean new prefs the problem happened the same.

But I just seem to have found the real problem: Xee always uses the "Same as in Finder" sort order, even when you set it to "By Filename" in its prefs.
I noticed that the problem only happened in one folder, and so I realized that this folder was set to "By Size" sort order in Finder, although I forgot it because I usually view it in columns mode which is not affected by the selected sort order.

So, my personal problem is now fixed, but it looks to me as if Xee has a bug here. Does anyone confirm?

It's a known bug, fixed in the development version.