Xee (1000)

1 Name: Mr VacBob!JqK7T7zan. 2005-07-26 13:25 ID:+Fwu3KWy [Del]

I'm using this now, but I'd like it better if it had these features:

  • some way to open a folder from the command line ("open -a Xee ." doesn't work).
  • some way to advance to the next image one-handed on a laptop keyboard, possibly with , and . (obvious joke goes here).

316 Name: tom : 2006-09-28 08:05 ID:Ikf68vHR [Del]

great little tool. would love to have a simple slideshow-function like irfanview. zooming pictures looks quite bad compared to other tools. any way to improve that by some s-spline code or something like that?

317 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-09-28 08:48 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>315

Read the earlier posts about how to work around that.

>>316

No, it's not that easy, since the drawing is done with OpenGL. The 2.0 alpha has some trickery to produce prettier zoomed out pictures, though.

If you're referring to the zoomed in pictures, those are intentionally left pixelized, because I, at least, want to actually see the pixels in a picture when I zoom it.

318 Name: greg : 2006-09-29 09:21 ID:Z15KZ9/v [Del]

How do we keep the "auto rotate" setting? There is no point in having to do that for every picture. It should remain the setting!

319 Name: Andrew : 2006-09-30 16:54 ID:siVCZjrJ [Del]

Just thought I'd upload a universal version of Xee 1.2.1. I couldn't find one and I can't stand the Rosetta load time. YUV decoding doesn't seem to work so go into prefs > advanced and set it to use RGB.

Here's a link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/35040937/Xee.app.zip.html

Can't wait for the anti-aliasing build, though I checked out preview and it doesn't seem to anti-alias either. It only seems to do that for PDF documents. Xee alpha 2 crashed my Intel Mac too as soon as it launched. You'd have thought there would be some way that the system would auto-recover from a graphics driver crash.

320 Name: Andrew : 2006-09-30 16:59 ID:siVCZjrJ [Del]

Sorry about using Rapidshare. For those of you who don't know how to use it, you have to click the button that says free and then wait for the timer to count down and then input a code. It should download the zipped program that is about 1MB in size.

321 Name: vim : 2006-10-01 12:54 ID:fbc8oraX [Del]

--please forgive my poor english--
hi, i really like your app, it's great.
i have some suggestions. i noticed xee when i was searching an qiv alternative for the mac. so i would be really happy with some shell support like qiv. for example something like xee find . -name "*.jpg" to function would be great. (i found an workaround with open but it doesn't open all the pics given on the command line - just one and you can then browse the folder). another interesting feature would be an open dialog like the "go to folder" (don't know exactly the english local.) in the finder with path completion. i could think of much more... ;-)
thanks for the app! keep on coding.

322 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-10-01 13:24 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>319

There's a lot more than YUV that doesn't work. I'm pretty sure 32-bit PNGs won't work right either, and probably a bunch of other stuff.

To make alpha 2 work, run this in Terminal:
defaults write cx.c3.xee antialiasQuality 0

>>321

Xee won't open several windows for files in the same directory by default. You can change this in the preferences if you prefer it to always open new windows.

323 Name: Andrew : 2006-10-01 14:50 ID:siVCZjrJ [Del]

I just tested some 32-bit PNGs and they work ok. So far, I haven't found any problems compared to the PPC versionapart from YUV but I'll post if I find anything. I'd like to use alpha 2 but I don't want to rely on a preference to prevent my system crashing.

On the subject of the anti-aliasing, are you using the same techinques that games designers use for FSAA? Surely there must be a way to prevent it from crashing the system in order to debug it.

I also found this about OpenGL antialiasing:

http://homepage.mac.com/arekkusu/bugs/invariance/FSAA.html
http://homepage.mac.com/arekkusu/bugs/invariance/TexAA.html

Texture AA would work since you are dealing with quads.

Here's some Apple documentation on FSAA. You probably know about this stuff already but I thought I'd post it just in case:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Conceptual/OpenGL-MacProgGuide/opengl_fsaa/chapter_11_section_1.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001987-CH405-SW7

324 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-10-01 15:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

No, FSAA is pretty weak for antialiasing, and it's not supported on older cards anyway. I use other trickery, but there isn't really anything in there that should be able to crash the system, except maybe that I use all texture units. Of course, nothing should be able to crash the system in the first place, so something is definitely strange.

325 Name: vim : 2006-10-02 09:01 ID:M8jvaSK2 [Del]

you misunderstood me, sorry.
the behaviour not to open many windows is good. what i wanted was something like a playlist - not just looping through the directory. maybe giving xee a file as playlist, or - as i meant - to give xee in the Terminal some files as argument: xee /dir1/file1.jpg /dir2/file2.jpg /dir2/file3.jpg /dir3/file4.jpg ...

326 Name: Doctroid : 2006-10-05 08:15 ID:ilpUgMdO [Del]

Hi, I have a need for an image viewer that does something a little different from what Xee does -- unless I'm overlooking something. I sometimes use JSTOR, which is a service that serves scanned pages of old journals in GIF or JPEG format. I can save pages into a folder and then use a viewer to read them offline. Problem is, Xee opens images sized to fit the screen. So I have to cmd-0 to make the page legible, then arrow up to top of screen and start reading. At end of page I go to the next page... and Xee sizes it to the screen again, so I have to cmd-0 and arrow up to the top again, for every page. What I'd like is really two things: (1) once I've established a magnification, use it for all subsequent images unless I change it, and (2) concomitant with that, when I go to the next page, I want to be looking at the TOP of the next page (and for previous page, the BOTTOM of the page). I can understand why one might not want that mode of operation when looking at a folder full of pictures, but for this particular case of looking at scanned articles, Xee's behavior is annoying. So I guess I either need an "article mode" in Xee, or a different viewer. Suggestions?

327 Name: Doctroid : 2006-10-05 08:19 ID:ilpUgMdO [Del]

Hi, I have a need for an image viewer that does something a little different from what Xee does -- unless I'm overlooking something. I sometimes use JSTOR, which is a service that serves scanned pages of old journals in GIF or JPEG format. I can save pages into a folder and then use a viewer to read them offline. Problem is, Xee opens images sized to fit the screen. So I have to cmd-0 to make the page legible, then arrow up to top of screen and start reading. At end of page I go to the next page... and Xee sizes it to the screen again, so I have to cmd-0 and arrow up to the top again, for every page. What I'd like is really two things: (1) once I've established a magnification, use it for all subsequent images unless I change it, and (2) concomitant with that, when I go to the next page, I want to be looking at the TOP of the next page (and for previous page, the BOTTOM of the page). I can understand why one might not want that mode of operation when looking at a folder full of pictures, but for this particular case of looking at scanned articles, Xee's behavior is annoying. So I guess I either need an "article mode" in Xee, or a different viewer. Suggestions?

328 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-10-05 11:49 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

View -> Automatic Zoom.

329 Name: Doctroid : 2006-10-06 05:43 ID:EX2XudrF [Del]

Sorry about the duplicate post; the board was acting weird yesterday. Maybe it always acts weird. We'll see.

I hadn't noticed the Automatic Zoom menu option (I'd been looking in Preferences). With that turned off, it does something like what I want. Not quite. It opens each new image at unit magnification, centered on the top leftmost part of the image. What I would like is for the new image to open at the same magnification as was used for the previous image. (I realized I talked about using cmd-0 on each page, but that was just an example; for some texts that is not be the ideal magnification.) And, ideally but not critically, when going back a page, it would centered on the bottom rightmost part of the image.

ALSO -- is there a way to turn off the "feature" where scrolling selects later/earlier images? I hate that. On my MacBook I'm so used to the idea that 2-finger dragging on the trackpad scrolls window content downward that I find myself doing it without thinking in Xee, instead of using the arrow keys... and I find myself looking at some later image in the folder rather than a lower part of the same image.

330 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-08 19:46 ID:3N6Gz/c5 (Image: 1056x766 png, 47 kb) [Del]

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>>283
I saw that you've been unable to reproduce my crash when quitting from fullscreen in 2.0 alpha 2. It's consistent for me, so here's a screen of the crash report. It looks like a NULL dereference.
I'd respond on the Google page, but I don't have an account.

331 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-10-08 19:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>330

I think it might have been fixed by some changes I made in the current development version. When I finally get alpha 3 ready, try reporting back if the crash is still there or not.

(PS: _deallocHardCore: is the best method name ever.)

332 Name: Chris Love : 2006-10-25 01:51 ID:NH8Nb5ts (Image: 1036x842 png, 579 kb) [Del]

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Hi, I love XEE, but I have an intel iMac (Core 2 Duo) I compiled a universal binary with XCode, but .jpg files are wierd looking.

(look @ attachment)

I opened a .png file, and it worked fine.

Thanks for you help.

333 Name: Chris Love : 2006-10-25 01:53 ID:NH8Nb5ts (Image: 1045x787 png, 607 kb) [Del]

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Here's what it's supposed to look like.

334 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-10-25 03:34 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>332

Yes, that is why 1.2 is not Universal. You'll have to wait for 2.0, which will still take some time. There is an alpha version available, but you'll have to disable antialiasing or it will crash your machine. Check older posts in this thread.

335 Name: kadoma : 2006-11-04 01:10 ID:OG5YRKM9 (Image: 640x304 jpg, 40 kb) [Del]

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Xee is simple and efficient, Yeah! :-)

just one request , view an edit keywords (i.e. spotlight search)

Can you do that?

336 Name: brooks : 2006-11-06 18:38 ID:BMzEXxv+ [Del]

hew i tried the alpha.

on a ppc some really big jpgs only load half way.

and i could reallllllly use hotkeys to move to specific folders (as in, you assign a hotkey to a folder, and then press that hotkey to move an image there)

and maybe some kind of movie file handling (acknowledgement and handling of movies, not viewing them) so i can move them into folders like i would a picture)

337 Name: natty : 2006-11-07 20:42 ID:ZSND02hP [Del]

Hi, I'm enjoying Xee, and have two requests/suggestions regarding automatic JPEG rotation:
1) differentiate between displaying an image with auto-rotation applied, and performing lossless rotation on the image file. I didn't realize that "auto rotate" would change my files on disk, but I can see that was the result. (Such file modification should be obvious or pop up a warning, especially since it can't be undone.) I appreciate the option to perform lossless rotation on my files, but usually I'm primarily interested in viewing images at the proper orientation, without altering the files. I suggest two different functions for displaying/performing rotation.
2) Make "display with automatic rotation" a sticky option in the preferences, such that it's truly automatic (without user intervention on each JPEG image).

Thanks for an outstanding app.

338 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-08 03:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>337

I've been working on pretty much just that, but I lost the code in a drive crash. I'm working on re-creating it now.

339 Name: Concorde : 2006-11-16 03:28 ID:5xebM+xp [Del]

@ Chris Love

Xee Universal works great... just set in Pref -> Advanced -> RGB !!

not YUV... then the colors comes ok!

cya

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341 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-16 05:22 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>339

There are most likely other formats that do not work, even if you do that. .icns might be one.

342 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-18 10:37 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

OK, Xee may seem like it's dead, but this is actually just because of me totally fucking up my development cycle, and suddenly starting to re-design several interal parts of the code at the same time, and then getting distracted by adding other new features on top of that, and then finally having a goddamn hard drive crash and losing like two months of work on the damn thing, and so on, and so on. Lesson learned: Release early, release often, and goddammit, upload the source too. So with that in mind,

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha3.zip

This version has been so long in development I forgot half of the stuff I did. I finally got my Intel mac so it's been fixed up to work correctly on Intel now, at least. However, I still couldn't replicate the antialiaser crash, so nothing has been done about that, except to disable antialiasing by defualt on Intel. If some brave people would try and see if it still crashes under 10.4.8 when they turn it on, that would be very helpful.

Other stuff I can remember:

  • Progressive image loading.
  • Support for EXIF and other metadata.
  • Rotation for any kind of image.
  • New saving code.
  • Updated JPEG loader.
  • Maya IFF loader.
  • Scroll wheel behaviour can be customized.
  • Scrolling keys can be customized.

Stuff that is broken in this version:

  • No lossless JPEG transforms. This is being re-written, because:
  • There is a crop option which doesn't do anything really useful yet. It will in the future, however, AND it will support lossless cropping for JPEGs!

343 Name: Anonymous : 2006-11-18 16:07 ID:3N6Gz/c5 [Del]

Works very well here, thanks.

344 Name: Tome : 2006-11-19 02:45 ID:MGm3cuQe [Del]

What ACDSee on Windows had was not only rotate pics but also store them losslessly again. Something for you to implement? Would be awesome!

Besides of that, it seems to work well on my MacBook Pro 17" Intel Duo Core. Great Job

345 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-19 05:29 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>344

That's what I'm working on now.

346 Name: Jason : 2006-11-20 08:47 ID:oxM/mVSY [Del]

Xee is awesome. It's just the app I've been looking for. Thanks so much for making this app available for us.

I've just tried Alpha 3, and I'm sorry to report the anti-aliasing is still crashing my Core 2 Duo MacBook, running on 10.4.8. :(

For what it's worth, I used to run Xee 2 Alpha 2 on my MacBook Pro, and the anti-aliasing never caused a crash on there. However, it has on this MacBook and the previous one that I exchanged for this one. So I'm wondering if it's related to the integrated 950 graphics chip?

If you'd like me to try any potential fixes, feel free to email me at "jason at resequenced dot com".

Thanks!

347 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-20 10:51 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

> So I'm wondering if it's related to the integrated 950 graphics chip?

It's looking a whole lot like it. None of the Intel machines I've had try it have experienced any crashes, and none of them had the 950 chip.

348 Name: sa4zet : 2006-11-20 12:44 ID:4WTjcZtt [Del]

Xee is a BEST picture viewer for MAC!
Can you put a little option?
When open an image with Xee, then show me full screen automatically.
That's will be PERFECT!
Anyway thx for this cool software!

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350 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-20 14:45 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha4.zip

Lossless JPEG transforms now work, including cropping - however, there is still no crop tool, so that's not very useful yet. However, this will come soon.

But right now, you can rotate an image, and when you select Save As, you have the option to save it without recompressing. EXIF data and thumbnail should be updated correctly, too.

351 Name: Jason : 2006-11-21 14:58 ID:vBmjqrpP [Del]

Awesome to see on the lossless tranforms. I will be making good use of that.

Just for kicks I made my computer crash with the antialiasing bug again, to see if maybe it was fixed by accident in alpha 4. :) Nope, still freezes the screen solid.

PhotoPresenter, Preview and iPhoto all managed to find a way to antialias (eg "resample" or "interpolate") downsized images on my 950 chip without crashing. Maybe you can ask the PhotoPresenter guys how they handled it?

Thanks again for the awesome app.

352 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-21 15:30 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>351

It's easy if you use the normal, slow APIs. Xee uses OpenGL all the way, which makes it fast, but also makes antialiasing hard.

That said, there's nothing wrong with the code that is there now that I can think of, and I really suspect this is a bug in the 950 OpenGL driver, which I'll have to work around somehow.

353 Name: Frank : 2006-11-27 01:41 ID:RuTVK0KB [Del]

Great program! Are you going to release the source for Xee 2? I desperately need to display arbitrary exif tags in full screen mode.

354 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-27 05:17 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>353

It's there in the same directory. If you're thinking of hacking it, be aware that since it's still in alpha, I'm doing some pretty big changes on it constantly, so keep me up to date if you want stuff included.

355 Name: garfield : 2006-11-29 12:01 ID:8jvbgH8u [Del]

Finnaly! Great program. I would be very usefull to configure xsee to open in fullscreen mode (like PhoenixSlides) and display important exif info transparent (like PhoenixSlides)

356 Name: bebe : 2006-11-29 18:41 ID:nvyxMkLy [Del]

Xee2.0alpha4.zip won't work with my Mac OS X 10.3.9 ?
After unzip, open the application but it just close itself (boucing at the dock for a second and disappear again).

Xee1.2.1.zip works though, but i want to try Xee2Alpha4 version.

357 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-29 18:46 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

Now, here are some fairly big updates:

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha5.zip

  • The antialiaser crash on MacBooks should be fixed. I finally found a test machine, and found out that the OpenGL driver for the GMA 950 chipset really does seem to be broken. It reports having eight texture units, but if you try to use more than seven, it crashes. Workaround added, and bug filed with Apple.
  • Archive support. Xee can now load files out of any file format that The Unarchiver can read (except for tar.gz and tar.bz2 at the moment, as it needs extra code and doesn't seem useful). To make it work, you need The Unarchiver installed!
  • Realtime updates of the file list. Adding, renaming and deleting files (or the directory itself) should now be handled automatically!
  • Slightly updated look for the status bar. Still needs some better icons, though - any takers? Designing useful 16x16 icons is hard.

Some of the code is very untested. Please report any and all problems! The more testing you do, the better!

358 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-11-29 18:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>356

It probably doesn't support 10.3, no. I might fix that later, but it's hard since I don't have a 10.3 machine to do testing on.

359 Name: bebe : 2006-11-30 03:36 ID:nvyxMkLy [Del]

Oh... i'm outta luck then. Can only stick with version 1.2.1. T.T

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361 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-01 16:56 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

Some requested features:

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha6.zip

  • Automatic slideshow
  • Looping images when browsing
  • Auto-fullscreen mode
  • Some bugfixes

All the new stuff is accessible from the menus (which have also been re-arranged a bit).

362 Name: Jason : 2006-12-02 10:53 ID:Idu/i/sR [Del]

Yes! The anti-aliasing problem on the MacBook is indeed fixed. Perfect.

Love the auto-fullscreen mode too. Finally, I feel like I've found a replacement for Irfanview. :)

Thanks again for creating such an awesome program. This will be a huge hit when it's done.

363 Name: DJ.HAN : 2006-12-03 18:45 ID:tTn5sHkS [Del]

Wow! Archive support is very nice feature. It's really great program. Thank you! :)
But if you add 'Show two pages' feature, xee will be best comic viewer.
Currently, I use cooviewer for archived comics file. I believe xee will replace cooviewer in near future. :D

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365 Name: aingoppa : 2006-12-03 22:41 ID:ZLmBxR+J [Del]

Thank a ton! Xee is the greatest viewer ever I've seen.

BTW, is it possible to view all the pictures rotated? It is, like a monitor itself is rotated. I have many pictures which was taken vertically. Instead of rotating each images, I just want them to be 'automatically rotated Clockwise or Counter-clockwise'.

Thanks again for great software.

366 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-04 04:18 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>365

Well, if your camera has an orientation sensor and writes the orientation data to the file, 2.0 can show it automatically rotated (turn this on in the advanced preferences). If it doesn't, there's currently no way to do that. I guess it would technically be possible to add support for that, but it's kind of a rare situation...

367 Name: Ian : 2006-12-04 17:25 ID:amJB3Hfg [Del]

How about an option to automatically move the mouse pointer to keep it on the toolbar button last clicked on? This would be handy for scrolling through directories of pictures of varying size without having to reposition the mouse on the 'Next picture' button.

368 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-04 18:29 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>367

There is already the option to not resize windows when clicking in the toolbar, which is on by default. Moving the mouse pointer is generally a big no-no, user interface design-wise.

369 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-06 18:14 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

Some polishing:

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha7.zip

Fixed some full-screen bugs, such as problems with animation. Viewing meta-data in fullscreen now works, and the metadata display is a bit prettier. Made the scroll wheel browsing work a bit better and fixed some pre-caching problems for random skipping.

370 Name: Barry : 2006-12-07 02:48 ID:hUivbIle [Del]

>>357

Adam Betts made replacement icons a while back (>>251 or http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=119). They look really good.

371 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-07 03:20 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>370

I tried them earlier, but they don't quite do it for me. I might ask him for some changes and use them, though.

372 Name: garfield : 2006-12-08 13:15 ID:8jvbgH8u [Del]

it would be very usefull to display exif info transparent just like in PhoenixSlides

373 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-09 06:45 ID:GkiaiGAC [Del]

Archive support! Wonderful. A little slow on first load, but a lot of formats are supported. Very nice update.
For an Open Recent menu, would you need to subclass NSDocumentController?

374 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-09 19:15 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

And again!

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha8.zip

  • As requested, it is now possible to sort by name, size or time. Also, by default, Xee will try to find out how you were sorting files in the Finder, and use that order.
  • Also as requested, there are now keyboard shortcuts for the first ten entries in the destination list. Configurable, of course, along with the rest.
  • I have been tracking down and fixing memory leaks. I think I have most of them now, except for those that seem to be inside OS X itself.

375 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-09 19:47 ID:XO0AwXiS [Del]

xee sucks

personally i install gentoo portage and emerge wine plus use a hacked version of microsoft image viewer you should too

376 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-10 09:31 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

Oops, I broke archive support in alpha 8 (which I didn't notice because it DID work when started from Xcode, but not otherwise). Fixed:

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0alpha9.zip

377 Name: jmd : 2006-12-11 04:09 ID:mrQrvB+v [Del]

Been a fan of this program for a few months now - I love it. Version 2.0 alpha 4 works great on my 10.4.8 intel mac, but alpha 9 crashes upon launch. If i can provide any additional help for testing let meknow

PS - regarding "Anonymous"' post on using hacked Microsoft products instead ....>sigh<

378 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-11 04:24 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>377

If you can post the crash log, that would help.

379 Name: Gonçalo : 2006-12-11 04:49 ID:vXz8IX3w [Del]

Your viewer is AMAZING !!! It's fast, acurate, ... and the antiliazing feature is wonderful ! Congratulations.

380 Name: Lisa : 2006-12-12 05:59 ID:QyTBGx/F [Del]

Thank you so much! Your work is really fantastic! Alpha 9 works great on my MacBook!

381 Name: Tony : 2006-12-14 11:45 ID:ZTrXILYE (Image: 756x1132 jpg, 791 kb) [Del]

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First off, love your program. Something I've noticed. This picture is always deformed when viewed through all of the Universal alphas so far and sometimes crashes. As soon as I figure out how to put up a crash log, I'll do that.

382 Name: Tony : 2006-12-14 11:50 ID:ZTrXILYE (Image: 0x0 txt, 16 kb) [Del]

Here you go.

383 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-14 15:40 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

Wow, that is some image. Gecko won't load it, the thumbnailer on this board won't load it. Preview says it's CMYK, so I guess nobody likes those. Well, I'll try to make Xee load it.

384 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-14 15:57 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

Correction: The file is in YCCK, not CMYK. libjpeg has no built-in converter for YCCK to RGB, so I will have to code something up at some point. For now, I've made it not crash, at least.

385 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-14 18:32 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

All right, I think I've got most of the stuff I absolutely want to have in this version. Time for a feature freeze, and switching to beta. Well, probably not a complete feature freeze, but from here on I'll try to mostly do bugfixes and polish.

This means I need more bug reports! Please take some time to really test features in Xee, and tell me of ANYTHING that breaks, or doesn't work like you expect it to!

http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/mac/Xee2.0beta1.zip

  • Finally, a working crop tool! Big thanks to squeeks for helping me design this. We're still tweaking that, so it's not quite done, but it should be pretty good as it is.
  • Some interface tweaks.
  • Added a super-dumb CMYK converter to the the JPEG loader, so >>381 loads, even if the colours are a bit off.

386 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-14 19:20 ID:GkiaiGAC [Del]

The behavior is odd when opening new files from fullscreen, in single-window mode particularly.

387 Name: MG : 2006-12-14 19:33 ID:4N/UZaD/ [Del]

May I suggest Xee use the Sparkle framework for updating? This would make it convenient to get the latest betas and test them during development, as well as upgrades for the stable version in time.

Thanks for the great software :)

388 Name: jmd : 2006-12-15 04:49 ID:mrQrvB+v [Del]

The crash that I was experiencing with alpha9 no longer occurs after using the version you posted on 2006-12-14 at 18:32. Great application, sir!

389 Name: jmd : 2006-12-15 04:49 ID:mrQrvB+v [Del]

The crash that I was experiencing with alpha9 no longer occurs after using the version you posted on 2006-12-14 at 18:32. Great application, sir!

390 Name: Tony : 2006-12-15 08:56 ID:ZTrXILYE [Del]

So far, it's opened everything I've thrown at it. No discoloration, either.

One thing I've noticed is that CMD-0 doesn't seem to work on any picture with 2.0 beta 1. Although, going to View > Actual Size does work. Is anyone else experiencing this or is it just my machine?

391 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-15 14:15 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>386

Noted and reproduced.

>>387

It looks nice enough, but Sparkle.framework is about half the size of Xee. That doesn't really make it very appealing to bundle with every download.

>>390

Oh. That is because I added Cmd-0 as a shortcut for "Copy to tenth destination", since Cmd-1 to Cmd-9 are the first nine ones. I guess that's a problem. Maybe I'll just remove the tenth shortcut...

392 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-15 14:17 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>390

Also: To work around it, open the keyboard shortcuts and remove the other shortcut.

393 Name: Tony : 2006-12-15 16:53 ID:OYlW1/M6 [Del]

Cool. I didn't even think about that... Yep, works fine. Everything's good.

394 Name: Lisa : 2006-12-17 06:15 ID:QyTBGx/F [Del]

Hi!
Is there an option or setting to remember rotated images? When I'm rotating an image and I browse back, it's unrotated again?!

395 Name: Andre : 2006-12-17 08:49 ID:7FXgPZ8q [Del]

I love xee, and it has replaced preview on my powerbook! Many thanks! it crashes somewhat (1.2.1) more often that I'd like but it's still feature rich and i love the intuitive keyboard navigation, it's a total oreo cookie! (ie: good :)

396 Name: Andre : 2006-12-17 08:52 ID:7FXgPZ8q [Del]

I love xee, and it has replaced preview on my powerbook! Many thanks! it crashes somewhat (1.2.1) more often that I'd like but it's still feature rich and i love the intuitive keyboard navigation, it's a total oreo cookie! (ie: good :)

397 Name: Andre : 2006-12-17 08:53 ID:7FXgPZ8q [Del]

I love xee, and it has replaced preview on my powerbook! Many thanks! it crashes somewhat (1.2.1) more often that I'd like but it's still feature rich and i love the intuitive keyboard navigation, it's a total oreo cookie! (ie: good :)

398 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-17 11:53 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>394

Right now, you have to save pictures explicitly to keep the rotation. I might add some kind of optional auto-save. I haven't quite worked out how I want that to work.

>>395

Try to see if the beta 2.0 crashes any less. If it still crashes, post me some crash logs.

399 Name: Lisa : 2006-12-18 06:14 ID:QyTBGx/F [Del]

About the rotation:
I see.. hoping this feature will be in any next future's version ;)))
I'm using the old version again, because I need that... :(

400 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-18 12:23 ID:OmtsthcK [Del]

>>399

It's definitely one thing I need to fix before the final 2.0 version.

401 Name: Brooks : 2006-12-25 20:15 ID:hFTNqxxJ [Del]

hey, thank you for adding the "move to" shortcuts! very appreciated

the beta seems to work very nicely(ppc)
3 things:

-a "crop" button in the toolbar is needed
-in the like keyboard configuration window within preferences the x apparently does nothing at all. also, to change the key combinationits it is awkward to have make a whole new button and delete the old one you should be able to change a key combo in one step.
-movie placeholders (its alright if its not gonna happen. would be very cool though)

thank you very very much

402 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-26 06:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

> a "crop" button in the toolbar is needed

Yes.

> in the like keyboard configuration window within preferences the x apparently does nothing at all.

It should restore the shortcut to defaults. I guess it should be disabled if they are already set to the defaults.

> also, to change the key combinationits it is awkward to have make a whole new button and delete the old one you should be able to change a key combo in one step.

Granted, but I am not sure what to do instead - I don't think it's very friendly to make other keyboard shortcuts disappear silently, either. As it is now, you can at least drag the old one to the new action.

> movie placeholders (its alright if its not gonna happen. would be very cool though)

Theoretically, I could even make movies PLAY in Xee without too much effort, but that's definitely feature bloat. Not sure what I'll do about this.

403 Name: J : 2006-12-26 11:41 ID:GIlO8inL [Del]

EXCELENT PROGRAM!!!, congrats!!! The best image brouser for MAC. Im using macbook dual core 2, and the only bug i find is when i rotate the image and save it (without recompression) it saves the file replacing the old one but the program after doing that crashes and closes. I dont know why. Also the ^save lossessly^option in the menu appears in grey, maybe im doing something wrong.
I use in windows xp irfanview and the only thing i miss is that u can edit the image gamma, histogram, contrast...
Good job on the cropping tool!!!

404 Name: J : 2006-12-26 11:54 ID:GIlO8inL [Del]

Date/Time: 2006-12-26 13:51:19.568 -0600
OS Version: 10.4.8 (Build 8N1106)
Report Version: 4

Command: Xee
Path: /Applications/Multimedia/Xee.app/Contents/MacOS/Xee
Parent: WindowServer [52]

Version: ??? (2.0 beta 1)

PID: 1715
Thread: 1

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x65426c6c

Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009857 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082b2f3 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ab0e CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
3 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92ddabef RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 285
4 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92dda2fd ReceiveNextEventCommon + 385
5 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92dda154 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 81
6 com.apple.AppKit 0x9325f465 _DPSNextEvent + 572
7 com.apple.AppKit 0x9325f056 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 137
8 com.apple.AppKit 0x93258ddb -[NSApplication run] + 512
9 com.apple.AppKit 0x9324cd2f NSApplicationMain + 573
10 cx.c3.xee 0x00002292 _start + 216
11 cx.c3.xee 0x000021b9 start + 41

Thread 1 Crashed:
0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x90a564c7 objc_msgSend + 23
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x925f836c forkThreadForFunction + 123
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024427 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x9264e2f8 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] + 39
2 com.apple.AppKit 0x93336270 -[NSUIHeartBeat _heartBeatThread:] + 377
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x925f836c forkThreadForFunction + 123
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009857 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082b2f3 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ab0e CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9146541e HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 158
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91465239 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 93
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 4:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900268bc kevent + 12
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb5f84 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024427 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb6129 MPWaitOnQueue + 198
2 com.apple.DesktopServices 0x9251e943 TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) + 143
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb5f84 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 1 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x65426c6c ebx: 0xb009ded4 ecx: 0x00081d40 edx: 0x900268bc
edi: 0x65426c74 esi: 0x003ad920 ebp: 0xb009df08 esp: 0xb009dea4
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010206 eip: 0x90a564c7 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037

405 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2006-12-26 12:50 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>403

The "Save losslessly" option isn't properly implemented yet, so that's why it's grey. I'll have a look at that crash, though. Thanks!

406 Name: Cloverleaf : 2006-12-26 17:00 ID:TVQ/o4iM [Del]

Xee turns out to be the easiest to use image viewer for my 59 year old mother, who is using her iBook for 1 month now.
So great work!

But we had a problem this day. She has a lot of picture-CDs of her friends. When watching them, there's often the need to rotate an image. This is not possible with Xee. When the volume is write-protected you get an error-message.

It's also not possible to rotate non-jpeg images.

Is there a particular philosophy behind these two points or are you working on implementing these functionalities?

407 Name: Cloverleaf : 2006-12-26 17:45 ID:TVQ/o4iM [Del]

Me again!

Found your 2.0beta1. Both of my mentionned points in post #406 are already implemented. Great!!

One additional little point:
Pictures should be resized to window (or screen in fullscreen) after rotation.

408 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-26 18:25 ID:dVtGyLmO [Del]

>>406
You say "She has a lot of picture-CDs of her friends. When watching them, there's often the need to rotate an image. This is not possible with Xee. When the volume is write-protected you get an error-message."
You can't change something that is read-only, such as a CD-ROM or CD-R! I don't see how this could be now "already implemented". Unless you save some sort of cached metadata.

409 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-26 22:56 ID:viTDzZY1 [Del]

>>408 I don't think he's trying to save the rotation, just rotate temporarily, and that was what was failing before.

410 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-27 10:09 ID:7DfzYHmw [Del]

>>402

> Theoretically, I could even make movies PLAY in Xee without too much effort, but that's definitely feature bloat. Not sure what I'll do about this.

Please don't. If would make sense if Xee offered a directory view with thumbnail previews but as it is right now, Xee is an image browser. There are other programs to let you preview/view a batch of movies sequentially.

411 Name: jmd : 2006-12-27 15:15 ID:mrQrvB+v [Del]

Any way to turn off the delete confirmation box when clicking the Delete button on the toolbar?

412 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-27 21:50 ID:7DfzYHmw [Del]

>>385

For some reason with this build, I have an odd problem with viewing large amounts of images on a network share. I cannot reproduce this on local directories. It's a bit difficult to explain but here goes.

Say I go through a directory with more than a hundred or so images, all rather large (think manga) and then I use finder to go to a different directory and double-click an image to open it in Xee. Sometimes a problem will occur where Xee will resize itself to the dimensions of the image but will display nothing but black. When Xee is like this, I can't navigate to other images either.

Trying to open another image through the finder will only get another all-black image. Trying to bring up the open dialogue inside Xee will just cause it to eat up CPU. Here's the sample log on Xee when it's in that locked-up state:

Analysis of sampling pid 2429 every 10.000000 milliseconds
Call graph:
300 Thread_0f07
300 start
300 _start
300 NSApplicationMain
300 -[NSApplication run]
300 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:]
300 _DPSNextEvent
300 _NSHandleCarbonMenuEvent
300 -[NSCarbonMenuImpl performActionWithHighlightingForItemAtIndex:]
300 -[NSMenu performActionForItemAtIndex:]
300 -[NSApplication sendAction:to:from:]
300 -[XeeDelegate openDocument:]
300 -[NSSavePanel(NSSavePanelRuntime) runModalForTypes:]
300 -[NSSavePanel(NSSavePanelRuntime) runModalForDirectory:file:types:]
300 -[NSApplication runModalForWindow:]
300 -[NSApplication beginModalSessionForWindow:]
300 -[NSApplication _commonBeginModalSessionForWindow:relativeToWindow:modalDelegate:didEndSelector:contextInfo:]
300 -[NSApplication _orderFrontModalWindow:relativeToWindow:]
300 -[NSWindow _reallyDoOrderWindow:relativeTo:findKey:forCounter:force:isModal:]
300 -[NSWindow _commonAwake]
300 -[NSWindow(NSDrag) _registerDragTypesIfNeeded]
300 -[NSWindow(NSDrag) _registerDragTypes:]
300 -[NSView(NSDrag) _addDragTypesTo:]
300 objc_msgSend
300 objc_msgSend
300 Thread_1003
300 _pthread_body
300 __ape_agent
300 mach_msg_trap
300 mach_msg_trap
300 Thread_1103
300 _pthread_body
300 forkThreadForFunction
300 kevent
300 kevent
Total number in stack (recursive counted multiple, when >=5):
Sort by top of stack, same collapsed (when >= 5):
kevent 300
mach_msg_trap 300
objc_msgSend 300
Sample analysis of process 2429 written to file /dev/stdout
Sampling process 2429 each 10 msecs 300 times

Intel Mac mini on 10.4.8

413 Name: Todd Partridge : 2006-12-30 14:36 ID:9KpDEKml [Del]

WAHa,

this a great little app. Needed something that would flip thru photos. u did good though I haven't tested it throughly.

414 Name: Todd Partridge : 2006-12-30 15:01 ID:9KpDEKml [Del]

ohh, does need one thing. Using the X button really should close the app program unless another is open.

415 Name: Anonymous : 2006-12-31 06:42 ID:GkiaiGAC [Del]

>>414
No. That's not how Mac apps work.
At least, that's not how they should work, according to the HIG.

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