Xee, part 2 (630)

1 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2009-07-22 10:34 ID:J9qvJKxH [Del]

This thread is for questions and discussion about Xee. Before posting, check that the question has not already been answered in this thread, or in the previous thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1122405906/

There is also a bug tracker for Xee here: http://code.google.com/p/xee/issues/list

If you have a bug to report, it is better to post it on the bug tracker if you can, so it will not be forgotten.

301 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-02-28 13:29 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>300

No, the problem is that regular views can't be rendered on top of an OpenGL context unless you use CoreAnimation layers, and CoreAnimation layers are too slow for Xee. QuickTime player does not need gigantic images and doesn't update that fast, so it can use them.

302 Name: Mike : 2013-03-03 02:52 ID:KzE3AcJO [Del]

>>207
+1 for labels!

Fantastic app though!

303 Name: pooshqe : 2013-03-08 07:46 ID:9L7Z/W18 [Del]

still waiting for ver.3

304 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-09 13:06 ID:tejSYJq4 [Del]

>>301
It's easy to render views to a buffer and then display it in OpenGL, and catch mouse events and redirect them to the view. Or just use child windows.

305 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-09 17:03 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Well, after a ridiculous amount of work, it's finally starting to come together: Here is the first beta version of Xee 3.0:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta1.zip

This is an near-complete rewrite. Most of the code is completely new. Most of the functionality should be implemented at this point, so I finally feel like calling it a beta and giving it a public test. What this really needs now is a bunch of testing. Please try it out, and tell me if something is broken, or missing. Or just tell me it works fine, that's useful information too.

The bad news is that this took so much effort to put together that it'll probably cost money when it is done. This beta version will also expire in a couple months. I haven't decided yet how exactly I will distribute it, and if I'll release any source for it (I was considering the option of doing that even if it is distributed for pay on the App Store. We'll see.)

306 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-09 17:03 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

As for new features, here's what I can remember right now:

  • Much more gesture-friendly interface. You can now browse images by swiping, and scaling and rotation gestures work better. I warmly suggest using the swipe browsing, because it is very fun.
  • Multiple window looks. (Regular, dark and black, so far.) This helps make the UI be less distracting.
  • Support for APNG, WebP (including animation), and old MSX MAKIchan formats. Also, MPO files are animated to give a slight 3D effect.
  • Colour matching is finally fully working. The normal Mac OS X colourspace handling is now used, so pictures should now always have correct colours.
  • Much improved image scaling algorithms, running on the GPU. Down- and up-scaling images should look a lot better now. When set to show pixels, a special pixel upscaler is used to allow showing sharp pixels at any upscaling ratio.
  • Image loading is now handled in separate isolated processes, meaning that a buggy image loader can crash without bringing the rest of the program down. This should also be more secure.
  • The handling of zoom levels has been streamlined a lot.
  • Image metadata is now loaded with Image::ExifTool, which provides a lot more metadata.
  • The image metadata UI and the move/copy panel have now been combined and upgraded.
  • Lion fullscreen mode.
  • A few more file handling functions, like labelling and setting as desktop picture.
  • In general, the menus, UI and features have been re-ordered, re-designed and re-thought to make more sense. This will probably annoy you for a while if you were used to the old one, but I recommend trying to learn the new ways things work, because they should be a lot better. If something really bothers you, though, complain!

There's probably more stuff that I forgot, too.

307 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-09 17:03 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Some things from the older version is missing. This is either due to me not having re-implemented it quite yet, me deciding to cut that feature entirely, or just plain old forgetfulness.

Things that are missing that will probably be implemented before release are:

  • Slideshows.
  • Clipboard handling.
  • Identifying JPEG creators by quantization tables.
  • Possibly printing.
  • Icons may be changed. The current ones are Adam Betts' old icon set.
  • Thumbnail image in the copy collision panel.
  • PICT support. (May be left for a later version.)

Things that are missing and will most likely remain missing:

  • Progressive image loading. Enjoy the cute TV noise effect instead!
  • "Same as Finder" image ordering. This is impossible with the sandbox. Instead, sort order is remembered for each folder separately.
  • YUV mode.
  • Single-window mode.

If you spot anything missing that is not on either list, remind me about it, because I might just have forgotten.

308 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-09 17:15 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Things I forgot to say so far:

  • It requires 10.7. This will be the baseline from here on out. If you need to run on older machines, use 2.2. I'll still keep it up for that purpose.
  • When cropping a JPEG, the cropping now snaps to MCU edges. If you don't want this because you are not going to save as JPEG, hold shift to disable it.
  • And speaking of shift, you can switch between regular scrolling and browse-by-mousewheel in the preferences, and you can also temporarily change that option by holding down shift while scrolling.

309 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-09 17:37 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Oh, also: Retina support is 100% untested, and apparently doesn't work. I will have to somehow find a machine to test on soon.

310 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-09 19:12 ID:i3Ok+mSw [Del]

>>305
It doesn't seem to remember the window position across launches, and for some reason always tries to place itself in the bottom left corner of the screen.

311 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-09 19:20 ID:i3Ok+mSw [Del]

>>305
And is there any reason why there's no toolbar anymore? It makes browsing with a mouse (not a trackpad!) really hard.

312 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-10 05:30 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>310

Right, that's somewhere there on the TODO list.

>>311

Ah yes, I forgot to mention that one too, I probably won't add a regular toolbar. For a non-magic mouse, browsing should be done with the scroll wheel but you have to turn it on in the preferences. Probably it should check what kind of input you have and change that automatically.

I might try to think of some kind of some other kind of interface for it too.

313 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-10 16:09 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

Tried to guess why Retina support was not working, and I made a new version with only that change:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta2.zip

This one might work on Retina. Please test it!

314 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-10 19:24 ID:i3Ok+mSw [Del]

Is there anyway to monitor the GPU for testing? I was browsing through a pretty large folder to test Xee3, when my computer started getting sluggish and the temperatures (and fan noise) got higher. Xee wasn't using much CPU according to Activity Monitor, but I assume the GPU was being pushed. It's an GT650M if that matters.

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316 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-12 01:20 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

Thanks for xee 3.0.
Finally, xee support colorsync. Fantastic!

But I found a few bug. Also, want a feature for xee 3.0 following as;

1) Xee was crash when trying to open PDF file

2) in fullscreen mode, xee 3.0 couldn't hide mouse pointer.
xee 2.0 was hide mouse pointer in fullscreen mode.
It's very usefull for comic-book reading.
Also, most apps are hide mouse pointer when occurred key input. I want this feature :-)

3) It seemed to be slower than xee 2.0 (Hmm...)

4) xee 3.0 was display television noise effect while open big graphic file. I want to turn off this effect. But there was no option.

5) I missed a toolbar. But it's not so essential.

6) Please develop a feature 2 page view for comic-book reading
:-)

Thanks for your development. If you'll sell xee in appstore, I must buy it. Thanks!

317 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-12 05:04 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

I was very excited when I saw the beta, but unfortunately every image I try to view get the "cute" TV noise instead and it says "(crashed)" below.
I'm not on retina and I tried on both a MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air.

318 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-12 05:59 ID:kMSdgp9n [Del]

xee 3.0b2 is ask "MacOS X sandbox maybe blocking access to it" message when open folder at first. It's very annoying. :-(

MacOS X App sandbox make me unhappy. Please find other sales methods other than apple appstore. Thanks.

319 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-12 08:40 ID:+G8hru7k [Del]

>>317

Have you messed with quarantine settings in OS X in the past? You may need to manually remove quarantine xattrs from the files in the .app package.

>>318

Unfortunately, we're stuck with it for now.

320 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-12 13:47 ID:tejSYJq4 (Image: 0x0 txt, 12 kb) [Del]

I had some random crashes. I wasn't doing anything in particular to trigger them. Crash logs attached. Seems related to this:

> 3/12/13 3:35:31.395 PM Xee3[1971]: -[__NSCFType removeAllEntries]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x7faef0c60800

I also had some pretty weird behavior when trying to bring up the Open panel in full screen mode. Selecting Open from the file menu makes the event loop get stuck and nothing seems to happen. Triggering an event by pressing the Escape key brings up the Open panel but things get more and more messed up from there.

The Open Recent menu doesn't work either. Nothing appears in it no matter how many files I open or close.

There were some other cosmetic bugs too. The most annoying one was after entering full screen mode, the title bar briefly flashes at the top of the screen, shaking the whole image.

321 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-12 13:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>316

Also, thanks, I will get at least some of those fixed.

322 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-12 13:54 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>320

What were you browsing at the time?

323 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-12 14:16 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>320

Also, I can't really reproduce the fullscreen behaviors. Are you on 10.7?

324 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-12 14:18 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

>>319 I did disable that annoying message when you open a downloaded app. It creates bugs apparently... I used terminal to enable it again, it's annoying, but it works now. And I guess it's safer :P
for anyone with the same problem, I entered this message in terminal :
defaults write com.apple.LaunchServices LSQuarantine -bool YES
("NO" would disable quarantine and create the bug)
press enter/return and restart your mac

PS: I'll give you my impressions on the beta later ;)

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326 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-12 16:28 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>324

> It creates bugs apparently...

Oh, it does. All kinds. I've tried reporting some of them to Apple but no reaction. It's a pretty terrible situation. It used to be safe to do that, but then with one of the recent upgrades, it suddenly broke all kinds of things, because they left that option in but didn't update things to actually support it any longer.

327 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-12 18:09 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>319
Sad news. I really hate apple sandbox policy.

Anyway, I found a another bug.

When I browse files containing following JPG file, xee 3.0b2 take up nearly 100% CPU process. The file is following as;

http://blogfiles.naver.net/20100810_97/howardkim_1281439264397s24Lp_jpg/junge_howardkim.jpg

This is color profile embedded JPG sample. Please resolve this issue. Thanks.

328 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-12 19:38 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

in [keyboard] tab of xee preferences, "scroll up" item was duplicated 3 times.
please check it. Thanks.

329 Name: hf : 2013-03-12 20:17 ID:8eYHkvWP [Del]

Do you think it's possible to add the "Open In..." menu to an image on right-click?

330 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-13 04:44 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

I have to say that I'm disappointed, but then again I only needed the option to fit horizontally for Xee to be pretty much perfect for my needs. I want to like it but I just wasn't able to use it as smoothly as Xee 2.2

  • Lion fullscreen is great although it needs the option to always open like that.
  • The horizontal and vertical swipe option in nice as long as the image isn't zoomed in where it doesn't even work sometimes. I would also add the option to disable one or both and maybe add a sensitivity slider.
  • The scrolling is far from being as responsive as before, almost sluggish and the bouncing makes it even worse. It's really bad when an image is zoomed, just like in safari.
  • When changing images it stays at the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before.
  • The app is a lot more processor intensive, it drains the battery at an alarming rate and the fan becomes loud.
  • The option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar would be great
  • I would add the ability to disable/enable as much as possible.

Xee 2.2 was so light and so responsive, that 3.0 just feels like a big step back. I don't want to be too hard on this… I know you rebuilt it from the ground up and this is a beta. I hope you take this as constructive criticism and that I made myself clear (English isn't my first language). On the bright side, the app didn't even crash once (except for the quarantine issue).

331 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-13 13:07 ID:DTjCMFRh [Del]

Fit to screen isn't working; though I assume its due to still using a macbook with integrated graphics.

Though, i'm not having any of the responsiveness issues that I see reported above. It handled my big directory of unsorted images just as well as 2.2.

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333 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-13 16:14 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>327

That file is not accessible.

334 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-13 16:17 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>330

> The horizontal and vertical swipe option in nice as long as the image isn't zoomed in where it doesn't even work sometimes.

What do you mean by "doesn't work"? If you mean that if you bump into a side, it will not immediately swipe to the next if you start again, that is normal OS X behavior, and nothing can be done about it.

> The scrolling is far from being as responsive as before,
> The app is a lot more processor intensive, it drains the battery at an alarming rate and the fan becomes loud.

If your computer is not very new, make sure to set visual quality to "Low". This is closer to what 2.2 uses.

> The option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar would be great

"Mask"?

335 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-13 16:17 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>331

"Not working" how?

336 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-13 17:23 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>327
>>333

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/junge_howardkim.jpg

please try to his link. Thanks.

>>330

I agree with you. Also, file browsing speed is slower than previous version.
I see TV noise frequently while turn scroll wheel rapidly for file browsing in 3.0b2. But in xee2.2, It can display all of files no matter how turn scroll wheel quickly.
But I believe 3.0 will be faster.

337 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-13 17:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>336

That image works fine here.

338 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-13 17:58 ID:tejSYJq4 [Del]

>>323

As recorded in the crash log, 10.8.2. It was just a large folder of pictures, not browsing any archives. Maybe some animated GIFs, that would explain the timer callbacks in the logs.

I didn't have any problems with sluggish performance that are being reported here. Even opening a huge folder with some 30,000 pictures Xee opened it and counted them all ridiculously fast (faster than I thought possible, so maybe it's cheating somehow?). Scrolling might've been a little jerky though. You can force the image to load by scrolling down, and then it's fast after that.

339 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-13 21:48 ID:+EDKKkai [Del]

>>335
Oh sorry, I forgot to clarify. No image appears, just a blank window with the background color. Also happens with any kind of scaling whatsoever. Basically if its not actual size, I can't see it.

And a fun little effect I just noticed. With scaling quality set to low and fill to screen set; when going to the next image, the image will flicker for a second, before disappearing.

340 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-13 22:12 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>337

Yes. Only that image works fine. But with other huge files, it occurred problem.
test environment is
Macbook Pro retina 13" / MacOS 10.8.2

341 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-14 03:46 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

>>334

For the horizontal and vertical swipe I didn't know this was normal. I used mostly the vertical swipe an if you take your time scrolling it works.
I don't know how I did it, but I managed to deactivate the bouncing/swiping while using it. Does that mean you can give us the choice to disable it? I don't mind it but know others do.

I have to say the thing that I was the most afraid of was the latency and battery draining, but setting the scaling quality to low made it just like 2.2, smooth as butter. I just didn't think my mac was that old :P

When I talked about the option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar, I just meant to hide (the mouse especially).

Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before." I hope this comes back in 3.0 along with the always open in fullscreen option.

Other than that great job, the application is already very stable. Keep up the great work ;)

342 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-14 04:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>339

Check Console.app and see what it is saying. But yes, sounds like your graphics card is too old. I'd have expected it wouldn't even be able to run 10.7 in that case, actually.

343 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-14 04:14 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>341

> setting the scaling quality to low made it just like 2.2, smooth as butter.

It really needs some way to automatically detect what quality setting to use, but I haven't figured out a good way to do it.

> When I talked about the option to mask the mouse and the scroll bar, I just meant to hide (the mouse especially).

The scrollbars should auto-hide, at least. Do they? The mouse hiding will probably get fixed soon.

> Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before."

Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one so I just left it at this behavior by default.

> I hope this comes back in 3.0 along with the always open in fullscreen option.

I think that if I make it actually remember the window position, which I am planning to, it will also remember fullscreen settings. Let's see.

344 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-14 05:58 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

> It really needs some way to automatically detect what quality setting to use, but I haven't figured out a good way to do it.

If that doesn't work, I would put it at low by default, and let people just see if their mac can handle more.

> The scrollbars should auto-hide, at least. Do they?

They do, I just don't really need them and it can distract from the image while scrolling. But it's really not a big deal, I got used to it. It's the mouse that I would like to make disappear immediately like in quicktime.

> Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one so I just left it at this behaviour by default.

It's just more natural to me to always scroll in the same direction. Or else you have to scroll down one image than up the next and than down, etc...
It's essential for reading comics for instance.
It's isn't an issue when you use the vertical swipe, but since it tends to block when scrolling to fast in the same direction and can get tiring for the hand.

345 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-14 09:44 ID:DTjCMFRh [Del]

>>342
Nothing cropping up in Console at all. I figured it was just the old gma 950 can't handle it, but I assumed you'd want to know.

>I'd have expected it wouldn't even be able to run 10.7 in that case, actually.

10.7 is the last supported OS for this laptop, and it actually runs pretty well; not as well as 10.6 did; but good enough for someone who just browses the internet and watches youtubes.

346 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-14 11:13 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

> It's just more natural to me to always scroll in the same direction. Or else you have to scroll down one image than up the next and than down, etc...
> It's essential for reading comics for instance.

I much prefer reading comics with swiping, so that's what I optimized for.

347 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-14 11:14 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>345

What happens if you set visual quality to low?

348 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-14 12:40 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

> I much prefer reading comics with swiping, so that's what I optimized for.

Well yes me too, I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean vertical swiping ?
Because when you swipe horizontally the next page shows the bottom of the page since it stays at the same position.

349 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-14 12:41 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

Or maybe you meant that you don't scroll at all, I would do that too if it wasn't for my small screen.

350 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-14 18:41 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

Xee 3.0 support colorsync. But its support is not so properly.
Here is sample. Following file is captured screen of my MBPR desktop.

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/screenshot.png

In Safari, and Apple preview app, this file will de displayed normally. But in Xee 3.0b2, It displayed yellowish.

Please check this issue. Also, I uploaded ICC of my MBPR. The file is ;

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/mbpr_65k.icc.zip

351 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-14 23:02 ID:+EDKKkai [Del]

>>347

>What happens if you set visual quality to low?

oh, waha. I already answered that.

>And a fun little effect I just noticed. With scaling quality set to low and fill to screen set; when going to the next image, the image will flicker for a second, before disappearing.

So very nearly the same thing.

352 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-15 06:09 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>350

I can reproduce that, thanks. Looks like there's some second way of embedding colour profiles in PNG that I don't know about yet.

353 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-15 12:55 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>351

I guess I'll just try to put in a kludge to make GMA950 use extra bad rendering.

354 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-15 18:53 ID:kMSdgp9n [Del]

>>352

Please see following capture file (JPG)

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/screenshot_color_profile_error.jpg

Left and right is ame screenshot PNG file. But left was opened in Xee 2.2, right was xee 3.0b2.

Embedded color profile of PNG was occurred this problem. JPG, TIFF wasn't matter. Please check this issue. Thanks.

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356 Name: TacoLove : 2013-03-16 13:36 ID:oMbUCpKB [Del]

The Xee3 beta looks very promising!
I'd like to chip in a feature request. It would be marvellous if preloading was more configurable max number of photos to load, or perhaps an upper memory limit.

357 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-16 19:45 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

All right, here is a new version which mostly fixes things reported earlier in this thread:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta3.zip

  • Changed to a better colour matching mode, which should fix some miscoloured images.
  • Mouse pointer should now hide in fullscreen mode.
  • Added an option in the prefs window for where to focus when switching images.
  • Added an option in the prefs window for entering fullscreen mode automatically.
  • Now saves window position.
  • Added a kludge for GMA950 to make it use extra bad rendering in the hopes that it will at least show SOMETHING.

358 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-16 21:40 ID:kMSdgp9n [Del]

>>357

Thanks for your job. :-)

1) Now, b3 can open PDF file without crash.

2) Thanks to mouse pointer hiding feature.

3) But (cute) TV noise effect is not so good idea usually. I prefer previous loading style of xee 2.2. I want to turn off this effect.

4) >>350 colour matching problem was gone.
But there is still remain a colour matching problem.

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/xee/difference.png

Left is opened in Photoshop, right is opened in Xee 3.0b3. The colour is slightly difference. Result of apple preview app is quietly same of photoshop.

(original fie is here : http://www.kbdmania.net/images/xee/face.psd)

5) Also I hope following features;
- Faster speed !! (especially, loading speed of huge animated GIF file is slower than xee 2.2)
- 2 Page view mode for Comic book reading
- support of MNG file (But it's too minor format)

Anyway, thanks for your support. Please make a better app. Thanks!

359 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-17 05:12 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I prefer previous loading style of xee 2.2.

As I said, the progressive loading is gone and will not return. It was nearly impossible to support already in Xee 2, and prevented lots of other things.

> But there is still remain a colour matching problem.

There are several different ways to do colour matching, which will give different results. Photoshop probably picks a different one. Try comparing with Preview.app instead, that is probably what I will try to match.

360 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-17 07:16 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

Great update, I didn't expect you to fix everything so quickly !
I really can't find anything else to complain about ^^
It's pretty much perfect for my needs, thank you.

361 Name: Anonymous : 2013-03-17 19:26 ID:+EDKKkai [Del]

>Added a kludge for GMA950 to make it use extra bad rendering in the hopes that it will at least show SOMETHING.

It works just fine, thank you.

..Seriously thank you, you didn't have to support old, bad computers.

362 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-18 17:27 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>359
OMG. Progressive loading was a reason why I love xee. The feature was very useful fast image skipping.

Xee 3.0, when I roll mouse scroll wheel for fast image skipping, it was displayed only TV noise. I think there is a better solution than TV noise. Because most of modern Macs have a large memory, faster CPU.....

Thank you. Best regards, :-)

363 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-03-18 18:18 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>362

Almost no image loading libraries have support for progressive loading. Also, using OS X colour matching is pretty much impossible while trying to do progressive loading. These features are really much more important than progressive loading, so it is gone.

364 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-03-18 18:53 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>327

Also, the bug was remain in beta3.

how to representation;

1) download a file which have a specified color profile from following link.

http://www.kbdmania.net/images/junge_howardkim.jpg

2) put the file with other files in one folder

3) open the file (and open CPU activity app)

4) hit space and shift+space repeatedly, A moment to open the file, xee will suddenly halt, and take high CPU usage.

>>363
I understand. But you'll be able to find out much more faster image loading solution, I believe. :-)

Thanks. Best regard.

365 Name: GokieKS : 2013-03-24 00:39 ID:ouL2kvMH [Del]

I would like for zoom in/out to be an option for the scroll wheel.

366 Name: vit9696 : 2013-03-31 05:46 ID:i9Jzkwnq [Del]

Hello, is Russian translation going to be supported in future? I sent an email with updated localisation to "paracelsus", google code project author. Did I do that right? Looks like google code trunk has not been updated since 2011.

367 Name: bionx : 2013-04-03 16:20 ID:31pRzEL6 [Del]

great!

I thought Xee was becoming another abandoned good os x software.

and just saw the beta now, downloaded, like it. hope you'll gonna fix various performance issues and bugs soon that I'll completely switch to Xee 3.

the one thing I would like to see in xee3 is to change the color of window background only. styles are good but I just want to change background color.

also ability to disabling that tv noise effect while switching between images and show/hide statusbar would be awesome.

greetzzz

368 Name: bionx : 2013-04-03 16:22 ID:31pRzEL6 [Del]

great!

I thought Xee was becoming another abandoned good os x software.

and just saw the beta now, downloaded, like it. hope you'll gonna fix various performance issues and bugs soon that I'll completely switch to Xee 3.

the one thing I would like to see in xee3 is to change the color of window background only. styles are good but I just want to change background color.

also ability to disabling that tv noise effect while switching between images and show/hide statusbar would be awesome.

greetzzz

369 Name: Anonymous : 2013-04-06 16:49 ID:+1UWlr3E [Del]

Can people with discrete graphics cards computer also choose the ultra low quality setting? I'd rather Xee used just the intel graphics on my computer, even at the price of image quality, for battery life reasons.

370 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-07 05:41 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>369

I am not sure there is a way to do that.

371 Name: Bagu : 2013-04-08 22:16 ID:kfx4sj4k [Del]

I'm grateful for your hard work on Xee 3. Will you offer a version without Sandboxing? I keep my images in a very hierarchical manner and there's always new folders, so that constant asking for permission makes v3 a real hassle to use.

372 Name: Doug : 2013-04-11 09:43 ID:TeZZintp [Del]

I love using Xee 2,but the beta 3 version will not work. All I can see when I open a jpeg is a 'fuzzy' screen..like TV interference. Any way to combat this?

373 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-13 19:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>371

If you give it access to a higher-level folder, it will apply to all subfolders too.

>>372

You have probably at some point tried to disable quarantine dialogs in OS X. This breaks many things in the sandbox, and will cause Xee 3 to fail to unpack properly. I highly recommend re-enabling quarantine dialogs.

(Also, once Xee is distributed through the app store, this will not be a problem, since it is .zip unpacking that is causing this.)

374 Name: Anonymous : 2013-04-14 13:44 ID:u1MFNTzK [Del]

Please unban me

375 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-14 15:58 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

All right, one more beta version:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3.0beta4.zip

  • A long-awaited feature: Printing now works.
  • Copying and viewing the clipboard have been re-implemented.
  • Re-implemented JPEG quantization recognition, with a new and hopefully better database.
  • Slideshow is back, too.
  • Fixed alpha channel loading for WebP.
  • Fixed some other bugs.

376 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-14 15:59 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

This is probably pretty close to what will be the first release. I am mostly planning on doing a little bit of polish now, maybe fixing bugs if any are reported, and then the next version will be a release candidate. Most likely no further features will be added.

There is much more I want to add, but those things will happen in 3.1 or later.

377 Name: Jo : 2013-04-16 14:34 ID:Rxh+zHHU [Del]

I am getting that fuzzy (bad reception) like thing when I switch between images. I have a set of images I often like to skim really fast through to find the right one. When I use my Mac in bootcamp with Windows, I use Irfanview and it is really really fast. It changes images perfectly with no jitter.

Xee v2 was ok at this, but it still wasn't as fasr as Irfanview on the same computer, and it would have a slow, jitter effect where it wouldn't quite fit the screen with the new image before starting to display the next.

I am hoping Xee 3.x would solve this problem and be really fast. Basically, if I hold down the next arrow button, the screen just becomes "snow". Will Xee 3.x have the ability to quickly flick between images?

378 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-17 17:28 ID:BJLvwYqe [Del]

Hello, it is form today the new that i can read in OS mountain lion/lion the RAF files generated by Fujifilm camera X sries. how can i set Xee to read the small jpg inside a RAF file and not the entire RAF?
Before this upgrade xee was very fast now, it reads the entire RAF and is slow.
thanks

379 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-18 19:13 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>377

That is just how quickly OS X will read the images. There isn't much to be done about it. Some small speedups may be possible still but nothing major, and definitely not until a later version.

>>378

You can't, Xee will just read what OS X supplies.

380 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-19 10:49 ID:BJLvwYqe [Del]

thanks, apple-preview is immediately to open that sort of RAF, i don't understand why xee not.. thanks the same.

381 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-19 16:17 ID:BJLvwYqe [Del]

excuse me, another question; browsing the files using from keyboard (,) and (.) i wish to skip RAF files in the directory. so I have selected in the menu preferences to not use Xee to open RAF files. But this has no effect while i'm browsing, only when i select a single file. So the question is, how can I skip RAF files while I browse a folder?
Thanks for the answer (Xee is fantastic and is fantastic the green logo too don't change it deeply in the next version).
Thanks. Peter

382 Name: peterprism : 2013-04-19 17:05 ID:BJLvwYqe (Image: 2560x1440 png, 4876 kb) [Del]

src/1366416356346.png: 2560x1440, 4876 kb

Tested beta 3, this is what I see while I wait aperture of files; sometimes with jpg for 1/2 sec and for RAF files 5 sec (!). (read above 372 tv interference...)

383 Name: citizentoni : 2013-04-21 02:22 ID:2bn+BFua [Del]

Dear Sirs,
is there a way to have Xee automatically zoom out (shrink to fit) after rotating an image? Because right now you have to first rotate, then zoom out with the "fit on screen" command (option + 0). Just selecting "shrink to fit" in the automatic view options doesn't force this behaviour.
thank you for your support

384 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-21 11:54 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>383

3.0 should do this.

385 Name: again : 2013-04-22 00:38 ID:271DeCnO [Del]

I love this app.. I told everyone with a mac to install it and everyone love it.
the only thing I miss is.. the resize of the images I have a lot of images from my digital camera that are 12 megapixel and to quickly share with other people the only way is to resize them.
I agree that batch resize would be nice to have.. but I can live with that..

386 Post deleted by user.

387 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-22 02:55 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

About zoom levels switching images, Version 3.0 beta 4 (15)

Desired: when each image of a series comes up, shrink or expand as needed to fill the screen on this monitor; and then if I wish to further adjust, I can do so. Attempted to set this in the menus: FIt on screen, always fit on screen, shrink to fit, stretch to fit.

Problem: If I zoom in on a portion of the current image, when I move to the next image, I see only the same portion of that one; I am confused. Oh. It has 'remembered' that if I wanted to see only 1/5 of previous, then given me the same 1/5 of the next one.

Comment 341: said

> Now the only "big" problem I have is : "When changing images it stays at
> the same "zoom position" which was an option you could disable before."

to which there was the reply:

> Is there a particular use for resetting the view position? I couldn't think of one
> so I just left it at this behavior by default.

Hmm.... I think that the question might be usefully asked the other way around - is there a reason for NOT resetting? Or, to be more precise:

(1) The user has said to always begin by shrinking and stretching to fit on the screen.
(2) In addition, after an image was opened in accordance with #1, the user has gone on to further apply additional zoom to one image.
"Given (1) and (2), is there a particular reason for hypothesizing that a #2 should 'win' over #1? Is there a particular reason to hypothesize that a zoom level applied to one image will also be useful for the next one?"

Thank you for your excellent work on Xee, and I am glad to see that there is a new version in progress.

388 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-22 03:19 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

About full screen mode and multiple monitors Version 3.0 beta 4 (15)

I think this may be a limitation of Mac OS X, not Xee, so you would get double plus bonus points for working around it: when one presses splat-F, only one monitor is used, and often the wrong monitor.

Workaround: by contrast, if one puts one image into each of several monitors, and starts several slide shows, the right thing happens, with each remaining in its correct location, and each remembering its setting for Fit On Screen.

So this workaround is 'almost' good enough; the only thing wrong is that there is the window cruft (title bar, bottom bar, etc) and all the screen background; and of course it's not centered.

389 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-22 05:03 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

About full screen, continued from post 388

hey wait... that's a regression in V3 actually - just tried it with Version 2.2 and if I have two images open, one in monitor 1 and the other in monitor 2, I can start two slide shows, and press splat-F on one, then press splat-F on the other - and they run independently, each one filling one monitor.

By contrast V3 beta 4 (15) follows the aggravating model of some other Mac OS X products that splat-F means full screen on one monitor, blank out all other monitors.

390 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-22 08:09 ID:8riGvW3D [Del]

Here is a release candidate for 3.0:

https://xee.googlecode.com/files/Xee3RC.zip

I'll be uploading this to Apple soon, so unless somebody finds a showstopper bug, this is what will be 3.0.

Changes are:

  • New icons. The previous icon was an old icon by Adam Betts, but it did not have high-resolution versions, so I had to recreate something similar.
  • Various UI tweaks to polish things up.
  • Made app name cuter.
  • Removed some useless files.
  • Tries to detect what kind of GPU you have, and to pick quality level accordingly. May be a bit conservative, so if you end up with Low quality, turn it up yourself.
  • App now quits when all windows are closed.

391 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-22 08:16 ID:8riGvW3D [Del]

>>387

That post is about a different behaviour, which is already fixed. The thing you are describing is entirely by design. It will remain as it is, as it is quite useful in many cases. If you want images to fit on screen, zoom to the fitted size, and the next image will also be fit on screen.

>>389

This is standard Lion fullscreen behavior. I don't think programs have any control over this, unless they implement their own fullscreen, but doing so breaks many other features and is a very bad idea. You should report this to Apple if you want it to change.

392 Name: DJ.HAN : 2013-04-22 20:56 ID:qD/MQkxw [Del]

>>364 reported bug wasn't resolved in 3.0 rc It is disappointed. I think colorsync logic in Xee have a problem.

Also, there was a new bug.
1) open preferences window
2) close prerences window
3) then, xee3 was unexpectedly quit. there was no warning.

393 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-23 03:19 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>392

Not really a bug, Preview does the same thing.

394 Name: bionx : 2013-04-23 05:31 ID:31pRzEL6 [Del]

I don't know what technical reason behind this but on os x 10.8.3 xee 2 is still faster than xee3 rc. especially that tv noise effect while switching between images restrains me using xee3 over xee2. the implementation/algorithm/whatever cant be kept same in xee3 ? otherwise xee is still my fav. image browser on os x.

395 Name: M4he : 2013-04-23 06:49 ID:yqBhNNw+ [Del]

Just a little feedback to the 3 RC:

  1. Please implement an option to disable the TV noise effect! Suggestion: either solid color (i.e. window background) or keeping the current image until the next one is loaded completely (would be even better but may be problematic with trackpad swipe transition)
  2. Please add an option to turn off the status bar
  3. Would be nice to have an option for switching the transparent image background (chessboard) with a solid color (i.e. window background color)

Apart from that, Xee 3 RC is really nice. Thanks for the hard work!

396 Name: FanOfeXeeLence : 2013-04-23 11:59 ID:elS5Qq7u [Del]

zoom behaviour:

Hmm, either you have not understood the meaning of my post, or
I have not understood the meaning of the word "Always".

Image 1: only 20% of it is showing because of zoom.
Press key to go to image 2.
Menu option "View / Always Fit Opened Images on Screen" has previously been selected

Given the usual meaning of the word "Always".... why would only 20% of image 2 show up?

Full screen behaviour: believe me, many people have complained to apple about this, for years. No luck. Given that splat-F can be usefully entered twice in V2.2, but only once in V3, that will be enough to keep me on V2.2 forever, which is unfortunate, because there is so much other stuff to like in V3.

397 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-24 02:31 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>396

Note that this says "Opened" images. It only applies when you first open an image, not when you browse.

Also, the full-screen behaviour in 2.2 breaks other things, like switching between multiple fullscreen apps.

398 Name: K27 : 2013-04-27 04:15 ID:Dprw0QpB [Del]

Swipe browsing is nice, but could you keep the arrow key navigation?

It's one of the best features of Xee that blows preview out of the water.

Using spacebar and shift-spacebar just doesn't feel as natural as left and right.

399 Name: Anonymous : 2013-04-28 07:09 ID:G7bSzgy8 [Del]

When opening images as zip or cbz files, xee shows the bottom of the first image, even with the option to keep the focus at the top. With the same images not compressed it isn't a problem.

400 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2013-04-28 16:00 ID:UARe52Xd [Del]

>>398

The arrow key scrolling is just the same as it always was. Command-arrows browse.

>>399

I can't reproduce that. What exact settings are you using?

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