Which would be better for running a TEXTBOARD forum? Trevorchan has a lot of features, but is kind of buggy.
Just wondering if Kareha is a cut above.
Kareha does the job, and has pretty good spam detection. Depending on what kind of features you want, it may be better to go with a vbulletin/phpbb type for forum.
No, I'm definitely going for the 2ch style forum. I just had such a bad experience with Wakaba though, I'm hesitant to try out Kareha.
Bad experience with Wakaba? How so? It's pretty old school as far as setup goes, but it runs pretty solid.
Well, the databases screwing up. I was trying to use one MySQL DB with different tables for each of the different boards. But then no matter what the individual configs were set at, the boards would all pull their images from each other. So I had images showing up on every board if it was uploaded in any of them OR images that were uploaded properly wouldn't even use the correct img URLs, so they weren't displaying.
It was such a pain that I just dropped trying to use it. I'm not inexperienced in PHP or anything, but it was just so annoying I looked elsewhere. Ended up choosing Thorn. FYI, it's the same as shooting your own foot. It sucks royally.
And Trevorchan is just so easy to create individual boards. I'm assuming I'll have to install Kareha each time I want a new board, even though it won't need the db.
Lastly, I don't know how Kareha works as far as the index goes. Does it turn index to kareha.pl in the .htaccess? Or is there no index?
I like 4-ch (script only), and I was looking for something like that.
Kareha writes an index.html once you run kareha.pl the first time.
Once you get one board configured, copy the directory structure (without .html, index.rss, res/, src/, and thumb/) and it's another board. Of course, you'd probably want to change the title in config.pl, but that's cosmetic; it'll work just fine no matter what it's called.
Ack, forgot to disable wakabamark. Whoops.
But yeah, Kareha's directory is fully self-contained, so copying one directory to another won't create any problems with boards duplicating stuff.
>>5
Word on the street is that Trevorchan has questionable security. I don't know its status now but that was what I heard last. It has a good featureset, though.
I don't understand your problem with Wakaba, it almost sounds like you didn't have each instance of it in a different directory. I still don't know why Wakaba never had a simple way to have multiple boards. I know some sites have hacked it or put a convenient frontend on top of it so that this is simplified.
Yeah, I've never heard of anyone having problems like >>5. There wass definitely something very screwy with your setup there. All you need to do to make that work is change the one setting which names the table used for each board.
Also, >>8, Wakaba doesn't have a simple way to make multiple boards because Futaba didn't, and I didn't feel like extending that, and also as a hint that you shouldn't be making fifteen boards on every site. There's no point in making yet another /a/ board. You're much better off making a small number (just one is good!) of unique boards.
Trevorchan makes it easy, and look how utterly redundant every board running on it is. This isn't just limited to image boards, either - look at how every fansubber forum, every anime fansite, every phpBB remotely related to anime has their own "general anime" board.
Japan has a really strong fan community because everybody posts on the same boards on 2ch. The west is fragmented and weak, because we balkanize our communities at every given moment.
>>9 True, English chans are really fragmented. 4-ch doesn't impress me as far as the English textboards go either.
I think on dial up though, it'll take much longer for me to copy those things into other directories.
I'm going to play around with Kareha in a test folder and see what I like about it.
>>12 Arguably though, none of the current textboards have done a decent job of being in control though.
4-ch is just too weeaboo for some.
If you're talking about control, then anonib.com is a good idea. Ah, if only it had arrived several years earlier, it could have been the 2ch of the west.
I suppose we're balkanised because we don't have that strong a herd mentality like the Japanese do.
Yeah, those Japanese are totally different and not at all like us!
No, they are not totally different from us, however spend some time in Japan and you'll see how big they are on conformity and following the crowd
Thanks for the armchair sociologist insight. Now try posting something backed up by any kind of proof.
>>17 I've stayed in Japan, and I agree with this poster. It gets to a point where it's just frustrating. It may be why no one else wants to strike out and create an improved 2ch.
> we don't have that strong a herd mentality
spend some time reading posts on 4chan's /b/ and you probably won't be saying that.
Ask any gaijin who has lived in Japan. "The nail that stands up gets hammered back in" and all that.
I've lived in Japan for more than 10 years. Yeah, statements like "The nail that stands up gets hammered back in" are popular but it isn't as simple as that. Trying to sum up the psyche of a whole population in one inane sentence like that just doesn't make sense.
>> Ask any gaijin who has lived in Japan.
Well, probably that gaijin doesn't speak Japanese well enough to know what the hell's really going on.
I'm a fan of Kusaba/Trevorchan for the overall function/availability of support and this will cause a lot of friction with Wakaba lovers (look at the url), but for the love of god DO NOT USE IT for a textboard site if you can use Kareha!
>>21 makes a good point. It's not that people in Japan are too afraid to make their own better 2ch, it's that 2ch WORKS. 4chan, like it or not (and I don't), is the Western equivalent to 2ch, so it's not like it's even possible to uproot something so well-established.
The issue most people have with 4chan, though, is that it sucks. Anybody who tries to make a better 4chan is destroyed because of three things (besides the above):
I'm sure 2channers know these things by now, which is why nobody has bothered to make a 2ch copy.
4chan is the western equivalent of 2chan, while 4-ch is the western equivalent to 2ch.