>does that mean you approve of removing the style selector on subpages?
I was referring to the entire board, but as you later explained, it seems it can never be removed completely. Though removing it from subpages wouldn't be a bad idea I guess.
>Kareha has no "No File" check in the first place
That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?
Other: Have you considered multi-page links with intervals of 100 posts at the top of subpages (ie, 1-, 101-, 201-)? Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?
Something else to consider: separating the board description/rules template from the board- or site-wide announcements. Check out http://0ch.mine.nu/test/read.cgi/jikken/1120050851 to see what I mean.
fusianasan + sage test
Thanks for the links at the top. Previously, I had to search for those threads over and over again if I wanted to find them.
>>137
I also noticed that you removed the CSS selector in individual thread views. Personally, it seems both the Admin options and Style selector are a bit of a hindrance to the overall layout. Don't get me wrong -- I think the drop-in Style capability is fantastic-- but it just doesn't seem to play nice with the current 2ch page design.
The thing is, don't most or all major browsers these days allow users to change CSS styles from within the application itself? I know Firefox does, at least. Maybe the selector isn't really necessary.
>There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage".
How about "dontbump" or "nobump"? Using "down" is pretty misleading, since sage doesn't bump a thread up nor down; it just stays in its place until a thread below is bumped.
>>167 orz
In reference WAHa's post in http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127713568/l50
>It's been suggested to change the no-ID-on-email to no-ID-on-sage
That sounds good to me.
(Lots of stuff in here, click "whole post"!)
> How about listing what dmpk2k or you have done already?
Truth be told, I haven't even looked over his contributions yet. I'm doing some work on Kareha first. He did bandwidth load balancing for Wakaba across several servers, and image file archiving, at least. Plus some proxy checking and other goodies.
> Split threads and posts into separate tables. You're repeating the lasthit and parent column over and over.
Bad idea. Adds a lot of code complexity without adding any new functionality. The current solution is simple and robust.
> Automatic closing and moving of threads that do not get any activity in a certain timeframe (based on average activity frequency of the board)
This is nearly impossible to get right, and I don't think I'm going to try unless someone can think up a reliable algorithm that uses the data that is availble (not much).
> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)" (it's just handy to have that)
I tried several times, and concluded it wasn't worth the code and database overhead it would take. This feature is relatively easy to implement for Futaba-style post number limited boards (and Futaba implements it really stupidly), but it gets tricky when you have different deletion modes and want to do it right.
> Prune-limit mode that is defined by number of files or size sum of files on a board
Size limit is already implemented. I might add file limit, but I'm not sure it's all that useful, when you already have the size limit.
The rest, I agree with, and I will try to get most of it done. I'm sure there's some more stuff hidden in old threads, though!
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>3) was about a string to trigger ID:Heaven, not a constant for the Heaven part (which is already configurable)
That's what I was referring to also in >>154 (S_NOID being the theoretical trigger string for ID:Heaven).
Concerning localization: there are certain compromises with input triggers that must be made in order to maintain interoperability with Japanese users coming from 2ch/Futaba. They're not going to care about a system where "sage" and "fusianasan" (in Roman too I'm guessing, can someone confirm this?) don't work in their respective fields. In effect, 2ch set a standard of usability that we need to follow if we want to build a bridge between both communities.
On the flipside, I think there should also be a secondary set of trigger strings that would be more coherent to Western users and universal to all Western boards. Making them configurable from site to site is really dumb, because it would create an unthinkable usability mess. With Shiichan's death, Kareha stands unrivaled, and setting these strings in stone would ingrain them in the culture like "sage" and "fusianasan" have been in Japan. Thinking very optimistically, if a Western BBS site should grow into something large enough for 2channers to strongly take notice of, they would pick up on these triggers and possibly make their own concessions to implement them in 0ch.
What they should be is yet to be determined. Unfortunately, they'll probably have to be pretty dull in comparison to the witty botanical references and word puns in 2ch and Futaba.
>I don't think so, not in these cases. What's the alternative? Having a different field for fusianasan, a new checkbox for sage, etc.? That's just cluttering up the interface.
Then why not simply boil it all down to the comment field, with trigger strings for inputting the name, e-mail, sage, ID:Heaven, and fusianasan? You can get a lot more minimal with the current interface.
>Huh?
He meant saging a thread just because a part of the actual e-mail address contains the word "sage."
>database redesign
You mean requiring SQL software, or just making backwards-incompatible changes that would screw up old threads?
>prevent abuse
Are you only referring to flooding and spamming, or also trolls and flamewars?
Finally, out of curiosity: how much of the functionality in the .js file do you think could be properly implemented into a new or existing perl script?
Getting back to inconsequential nitpicking: I find the "___ image replies omitted" phrase to be a bit redundant, and for one it confuses me as to whether or not those image replies are separate from text-only replies. How about simply calling it "images"?
(Lots of stuff in here, click "whole post"!)
> How about listing what dmpk2k or you have done already?
Truth be told, I haven't even looked over his contributions yet. I'm doing some work on Kareha first. He did bandwidth load balancing for Wakaba across several servers, and image file archiving, at least. Plus some proxy checking and other goodies.
> Split threads and posts into separate tables. You're repeating the lasthit and parent column over and over.
Bad idea. Adds a lot of code complexity without adding any new functionality. The current solution is simple and robust.
> Automatic closing and moving of threads that do not get any activity in a certain timeframe (based on average activity frequency of the board)
This is nearly impossible to get right, and I don't think I'm going to try unless someone can think up a reliable algorithm that uses the data that is availble (not much).
> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)" (it's just handy to have that)
I tried several times, and concluded it wasn't worth the code and database overhead it would take. This feature is relatively easy to implement for Futaba-style post number limited boards (and Futaba implements it really stupidly), but it gets tricky when you have different deletion modes and want to do it right.
> Prune-limit mode that is defined by number of files or size sum of files on a board
Size limit is already implemented. I might add file limit, but I'm not sure it's all that useful, when you already have the size limit.
The rest, I agree with, and I will try to get most of it done. I'm sure there's some more stuff hidden in old threads, though!
Suggestion / Request
Making "More options..." an option in the configs.
Seems sensible, when you already have the ability to turn off WakabaMark as a board admin. Also, it will make me stop whining (a bit).
RENZOKU are the flood detection things... even if they are useless MAX_POSTS_PER_MINUTE makes a lot more sense than RENZOKU2
3) was about a string to trigger ID:Heaven, not a constant for the Heaven part (which is already configurable)
Re: email/link field
Just because it works one way on 2ch/whatever does not mean it is the best way. Having 'fusianasan' as the only way to trigger the effect is just narrow-minded. Functions should have descriptive names to the people using them; should we keep the field names in Japanese because the Japanese have them in Japanese? Having all of the applicable things configurable is something that makes sense, and you can easily have both 'fusianasan' and 'show_ip' that work at the same time. Frankly, the combinations of many things into unrelated fields is a design flaw. What if you want to use a name/trip and fusianasan? What if your email address contains the string 'sage'? What if you want to sage a thread, but have an ID still?
I think the confusion of existing users is worth reducing the learning curve and improving the intuitiveness.
I'm not saying that the default behaviour needs to change, but being able to easily configure the strings used allows for easier localization.
I probably misspelled fusianasan too, why should I have to remember something so foreign?
A trigger for turning wakabamark off and one for forcing a monospace font
> but when I hit refresh I get the same order.
Browser cache. Try shift-refresh.
It doesn't take a specific range, just >>r30 for 30 random posts.
The "Entire thread" link on the thread page is missing a "/" at the end.
How about appending an estimated (at the time of thread creation) time of pruning to the first post's header, if pruning-by-age is enabled?
You may want to consider releasing Kareha & Wakaba under some sort of license at this point, just to make sure that the scripts always stay free for people to use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_license
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_License_Types#Free_software_licenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
> Frankly, the combinations of many things into unrelated fields is a design flaw.
I don't think so, not in these cases. What's the alternative? Having a different field for fusianasan, a new checkbox for sage, etc.? That's just cluttering up the interface.
> What if you want to use a name/trip and fusianasan?
Then just make one post with your name/trip and one with fusianasan and let your ID show up in both.
fusiansan is just intended for rare or special cases anyway, as is the whole subject of identification on anonymous message boards.
> What if your email address contains the string 'sage'?
Huh?
> What if you want to sage a thread, but have an ID still?
Then the board has to be configurated to just do that (it already can).
> why should I have to remember something so foreign?
It's rarely needed anyway. Also, these things are pretty easy to remember. "sage" and "fusianasan" is all there is, really.