The Legendary Next Update (365)

96 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>89

>But the body text is even more important, and that goes at the bottom. So I dunno.

Yeah, I considered this too. I'm mainly suggesting for the sake of convention.

We definitely don't need a separate page for creating new threads (I get bad memories of Shiichan), mainly because it's inconvenient and requires a whole other page for something that really shouldn't. The fact that it'd be at the bottom of the board page already detracts bad posters with itchy trigger fingers. I think most of us have an "End" key on our keyboards, so we don't really have to scroll all the way down anyway. :) Really, the only issue I have with moving the post box to the bottom is that it ruins my personal visualization of new threads falling on top of the "stack of threads" and replies emerging from below the "stack of replies".

In reference to >>90, there's something I see on every 2ch board that is a lot less prevalent in Western counterparts (barring certain 4-ch boards): a rules/disclaimer block at the top, above the thread-list, with links to a newbie guide, site FAQ, and the like. Yes, it may be an annoyance to veterans, but being at the very top means it's most visible to newbies. That way, we don't get a constant influx of people wondering whether or not they need to fill in the Name and Link fields and what the hell sage and tripcodes are.

166 Name: 148,161 2005-10-19 18:40 ID:0dCD+kFU [Del]

>>> In the end, people actually enjoy the 0ch quirkiness. I know I do. I know about designing good interfaces, but there's something fun about an interface that is a little bit quirky, as long as it doesn't get in your way, and these things don't.

It does get in your way though, I enumerated cases where this is the case (albeit edge cases).

>>>Then just make one post with your name/trip and one with fusianasan and let your ID show up in both.

fusiansan is just intended for rare or special cases anyway, as is the whole subject of identification on anonymous message boards.

You still end up with no way to link the fusianasan post with the name/trip one without IDs enabled (unless the ID method is known and no secret data is used).

>>>It's rarely needed anyway. Also, these things are pretty easy to remember. "sage" and "fusianasan" is all there is, really.

You spelled it fusiansan once.

Also, how is Kahera unrivaled when there are still large sites that are not running it? Shiichan is still on world4ch, Thorn on parts of wakachan for example.

http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127713568/l50 is also semi-relevant

295 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 20:39 ID:Heaven [Del]

Hmm, apparently there's some sort of bug in there still, since it's not marking up that.

259 Name: coda 2005-10-22 15:01 ID:1jzeBBcT [Del]

the text

c < d

causes a <d> tag to be opened, which is not on the list, and therefore all the text until the next tag will be deleted. a better behavior in this case would be to just convert that < to &lt;. you even ought to do this for

a < b

too, despite the fact that b is a valid tag, because who the hell leaves the closing angle bracket out of their HTML tag?

creating the correct regexes for this is an exercise left to the reader.

40 Name: 38 2005-10-14 14:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh okay.

I agree, for Kareha at least.

60 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 21:29 ID:Heaven [Del]

The test thread seems to be broken too.

288 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:30 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>287
0ch's error page provides a link to return to the board from which the error originated, which I think is pretty reasonable. Sometimes I think the navigation bar and CSS selector are used somewhat excessively in mode_message (though the latter's presence has been diminished significantly throughout the course of this thread).

319 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-25 18:35 ID:Heaven [Del]

rel=nofollow for internal links as discussed in http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127092367/

348 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-27 17:17 ID:Heaven [Del]

I notice some weirdness with the CSS changes sometimes. For example, the first post on a -100 page will sometimes have the first character of the post enlarged. >>2 looks something like
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/>2 until it is mouse-overed or you change the CSS, but then it goes back to large again on refresh. Also can happen with lowercase letters. Some of the field labels also change size from refreshing in a certain CSS versus just switching to it.

>It's all a design & layout question. I'd like to have the interface reduced to what is absolutely neccessary, esp. since I do not think many people really want to even bother or bother very often with the whole markup question.

Why have a name field or link field? For the majority of posts they are not used, or only used for sage. As stated earlier, they are not even needed for the bare minimum of usage. You want to prove it is you posting? Use a gpg signature or something and a third-party extension, it is just fluff that is not needed at all!

I'm all for having a system that is easy to modify to the end-user's wants and needs. However, there are going to be plenty of users that are not hardcore enough to make or use such options. Therefore, the normal functionality should be pretty usable.

People seem to pop-up whenever something that would change the interface to shout it down. They seem to fear any change and normally give no reason other than it would clutter things up or some nonsense. Does the CSS selector -really- get in your way? It is probably a whole ten pixels! Is having the More options thing really ruining your experience, or are you just against it on some principle? Personally, I would move it below the comment text-area or something, as now the tab amounts between the main fields has changed.

312 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 18:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oops. I got confused by the "link to parent post" thing. Maybe you could make that an anchor as well.

Not getting quote highlighting is the point, isn't it? I guess if you really want WakabaMark to spread you can force it on everyone who doesn't know how to change, but it would be nicer to make people choose it so we don't have to constantly see the results of accidental markup. This is more about social engineering than your program, though.

108 Name: 34.75.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com 2005-10-17 19:51 ID:Heaven [Del]

I thought fusianasan was supposed to be a mod-only function to weed out bad posters. And what would be the difference between revealing the persons's IP and his ISP's domain?

>>99
I didn't mean to include Forcenick in there, sorry.
Adding to that, however, how about forced sage for specificed IPs? It'd make for a great slogan: Remember kids, tripcodes and aging are privileges, not rights!

63 Name:   2005-10-17 04:54 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>59-60

Details, please. Everything works for me.

92 Name: anon!21anon4H3U 2005-10-17 14:00 ID:Heaven [Del]

This my just be me, but I'd like a link to the entire thread in karaha at the top of threads.

202 Name:   2005-10-20 19:06 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>201

Yeah, no, maybe. Using secure trips for capcodes also adds extra protections against accidentially misspellingyour capcode and leaving it open to attack.

306 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-24 12:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>305

Shift-reload already! Also, most people are familiar with "More options..." links and know when and when not to click them. I might see about styling it, though.

90 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 13:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Would it maybe make sense to make a separate thread creation page?

Considering that the ratio of users who start new threads to those who don't is pretty small on most message boards, I think it does.
A seperate page could also be used to put a more visible disclaimer/set of rules, as a seperate page with a different layout is likely to generate more attention from the user. Stuff that can be put there also wouldn't clutter up the frontpage.
I don't think this is an urgent matter, though.

165 Name: Shii the Metal Idol 2005-10-19 18:13 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

> Huh?

You know, like [email protected].

Shiichan 2000 let you enter "down" to sage and "showip" for fusianasan, but it was mainly just a curiosity and was not used. There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage". Better to have a tick-box and explain to people why it is useful. Or an option for it.

> Then the board has to be configurated to just do that (it already can).

No, 148 is referring to a user-end problem, not a server-end problem.

76 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>74
The comma range separator is useful for anchoring a certain post range to the first post (ie, "1,-100"), but that's all I can really think of. Still, I appreciate such a degree of flexibility.

60 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 21:29 ID:Heaven [Del]

The test thread seems to be broken too.

128 Name:   2005-10-18 17:00 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

All right, new version installed. This one has a bunch of layout changes, and some big changes in the CSS, so you'll need to make sure the CSS is loaded by shift-reloading. Also, fixing all the CSS files was a huge pain in the ass. Have a look around to see if there are any obvious mistakes, but be gentle, because this has given me a headache.

Also, I couldn't be arsed to fix Amber, since it was just a joke in the first place.

308 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 15:37 ID:hjzD4Li4 [Del]

Why not make None or Text Art the default? That way you don't surprise people.

Also, can you make >> links into anchors('#') when you're on the reply/entire thread page, especially in Wakaba? Currently when you click the link it just reloads the page with a different highlight, which is not all that helpful.

131 Name:   2005-10-18 17:35 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>129

That form just looks wrong with no title or clear separator, though. I might put in a title that is not the exact same as the button, though. Any suggestions?

The board title is inserted by template.pl, and rules.html is included after it.

237 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 22:39 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>236
I mean, thread titles in <h2> and post headers in <h3>.

144 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 01:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

Thanks for the links at the top. Previously, I had to search for those threads over and over again if I wanted to find them.

14 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-13 04:30 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

I've been meaning to change some of the defaults away from Futaba-style to saner behaviours. Any suggestions for what to change are welcome. So far:

  • Pruning set to furthest-back instead of oldest.
  • Size limit instead of post number limit, maybe?
  • I'll add thread closing to Kareha, but I was thinking of setting the default behaviour to never permasage or close threads.

83 Name:   2005-10-17 12:09 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh yeah, regarding the CSS selector: HTML dropdowns aren't styleable, and will look like shit. I'll look into using some other trickery for that, though.

168 Name:   2005-10-19 19:00 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

> (albeit edge cases)

Which is the crux of the matter - it mostly doesn't matter to the vast majority of users.

> You still end up with no way to link the fusianasan post with the name/trip one without IDs enabled (unless the ID method is known and no secret data is used).

You can use fusianasan with a tripcode, at least on Kareha. I suspect you can on 0ch too, but I haven't checked.

101 Name: sjcd-dmzweb-ce8.cisco.com 2005-10-17 15:04 ID:95ZECAi3 [Del]

sup

256 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 13:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>255
By replacing it with AN EVEN DUMBER PUN!

207 Name: 205 2005-10-21 03:40 ID:Heaven [Del]

From here on, this thread is about Kareha again:

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