Oh okay.

I agree, for Kareha at least.

>>161

>3) was about a string to trigger ID:Heaven, not a constant for the Heaven part (which is already configurable)

That's what I was referring to also in >>154 (S_NOID being the theoretical trigger string for ID:Heaven).

Concerning localization: there are certain compromises with input triggers that must be made in order to maintain interoperability with Japanese users coming from 2ch/Futaba. They're not going to care about a system where "sage" and "fusianasan" (in Roman too I'm guessing, can someone confirm this?) don't work in their respective fields. In effect, 2ch set a standard of usability that we need to follow if we want to build a bridge between both communities.

On the flipside, I think there should also be a secondary set of trigger strings that would be more coherent to Western users and universal to all Western boards. Making them configurable from site to site is really dumb, because it would create an unthinkable usability mess. With Shiichan's death, Kareha stands unrivaled, and setting these strings in stone would ingrain them in the culture like "sage" and "fusianasan" have been in Japan. Thinking very optimistically, if a Western BBS site should grow into something large enough for 2channers to strongly take notice of, they would pick up on these triggers and possibly make their own concessions to implement them in 0ch.

What they should be is yet to be determined. Unfortunately, they'll probably have to be pretty dull in comparison to the witty botanical references and word puns in 2ch and Futaba.

>>163

>I don't think so, not in these cases. What's the alternative? Having a different field for fusianasan, a new checkbox for sage, etc.? That's just cluttering up the interface.

Then why not simply boil it all down to the comment field, with trigger strings for inputting the name, e-mail, sage, ID:Heaven, and fusianasan? You can get a lot more minimal with the current interface.

>Huh?

He meant saging a thread just because a part of the actual e-mail address contains the word "sage."

Semantical nitpick: shouldn't the "Page top" link be called "Thread list"?

http://wakaba.c3.cx/test/sanitize.pl?html=%3Ccode%3E+%E3%8B%8B%E3%8F%A1%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A+%E3%82%94%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0+%E3%82%94%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0+%E3%82%94%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0+%E3%82%94%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0+%E3%82%94%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0%E3%82%94+%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0%E3%82%94+%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0%E3%82%94%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B2%E3%80%B0%E3%82%94%E3%82%94%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E3%80%B3%E3%80%B5%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B3%E3%80%B5%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B3%E3%80%B5%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%83%B7%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0%E3%80%B0%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%28%E2%99%9B%E0%B8%BA%D0%94%29%28*%E3%82%9C%E2%88%80%E3%82%9C%29%EF%BD%9E%E2%99%A1%E2%84%B3%E0%B8%BA%E2%84%B4%E0%B8%BA%E2%84%AF%E0%B8%BA%E2%9D%A4%E2%84%92%E0%B8%BA%E2%84%B4%E0%B8%BA%CE%BD%E2%84%AF%E0%B8%BA..._%E3%80%86%28%E3%82%9C%E2%96%BD%E3%82%9C*%29%E3%8C%B0%E3%8C%B0+%E3%8D%89%E3%8D%8D%E3%8C%A7%E3%8C%94%E3%8C%B6%E3%8D%8A%E3%8C%A3%E3%8C%A6%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E3%8C%80%E3%8C%81%E3%8C%82%E3%8C%83%E3%8C%84%E3%8C%85%E3%8C%86%E3%8C%87%E3%8C%88%E3%8C%89%E3%8C%8A%E3%8C%8B%E3%8C%8C%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA+%E2%98%A0%E0%B8%BA%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E2%98%BC%E2%99%AD%E2%99%AC%E2%99%AB%E2%99%A8%E2%99%A9%E2%99%A7%E2%99%A6%E2%99%A5%E2%99%A4%E2%99%A3%E2%99%A2%E2%99%A0%E2%99%A1%E2%99%90%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%91%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%92%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%93%E0%B8%BA+%E2%99%94%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%95%E0%B8%BA+%E2%99%96%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%97%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%98%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%99%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%9A%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%9B%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%9C%E0%B8%BA%E2%99%9D%28%EF%BD%A5%E2%88%80%EF%BD%A5%29%2F%E3%83%BE%7E%7E%E2%95%8B%E2%94%93%21%E3%8B%A6%E3%8B%B8%E3%8B%AD%C2%B0%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%7C%E5%A3%81%7C%E3%80%8D%E3%82%9C%CF%81%E3%82%9C%29%E3%80%8D%E3%80%80%E3%83%8E+%E3%83%BD%60%60%EF%BD%9E+%E5%8A%9B%E3%8B%A6%E3%8B%B8%E3%8B%AD%C2%B0%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E2%80%89%E3%80%80+%E3%80%80+%EF%BC%8F%E2%80%89%E2%8C%92%E3%83%BD+%E2%80%89%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E3%80%80%E2%80%89%E3%80%80%2F%E3%80%80%C2%B4_%E3%82%9D%60%EF%BC%89+I+am+sorry%E3%80%81%E2%80%89the+%CE%B2%E2%80%89%CE%B1%E2%80%89%CE%BA%E2%80%89%CE%B1%E2%80%89kopipe+couldn%27t+be+carried+out%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E3%80%80%E3%80%80%7C%E3%80%80%E2%80%89+%E3%80%80%E3%80%80%2F%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E2%80%89%E3%80%80%E3%80%80%7C+%2F%7C%E2%80%89%E3%80%80%7C%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E3%80%80+%2F%2F%E3%80%80%7C+%E2%80%89%7C%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E%0D%0A%E3%80%80%EF%BC%B5%E2%80%89%E3%80%80+.%EF%BC%B5+%E2%80%89%3C%2Fcode%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Most admins probably don't get point of the secret string anyway, and asking them to put in several is just too annoying. In retrospect, I'd like to add a second layer of hashing to these, but that'd mean breaking secure trips AGAIN.

You could take the route that MrVB (I think?) did and generate the strings on first run? openssl, /dev/random, perl's random as last resort. In almost every case you are going to get a better random string than most people will supply, and if they want to change it they can. Or only have them generated if they are not supplied.

Honestly, when people care so much about anonymity they can put up with the changes required to ensure it.

You may want to consider releasing Kareha & Wakaba under some sort of license at this point, just to make sure that the scripts always stay free for people to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_license
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_License_Types#Free_software_licenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

> Also, I couldn't be arsed to fix Amber, since it was just a joke in the first place.

Booo!

> who here finds enough use in the auto-expanding comment box to justify the annoyances when you click in or out of it?

I love that feature. Please don't remove it!

> I think the drop-in Style capability is fantastic-- but it just doesn't seem to play nice with the current 2ch page design.

plz 2 be keeping that feature too

> Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?

I support this, especially if thread-closing by filesize should be implemented.

Oh yeah, regarding the CSS selector: HTML dropdowns aren't styleable, and will look like shit. I'll look into using some other trickery for that, though.

>>123
signed

I'll sign that partition for a separate admin script and XHTML interface (one that includes the banning, board nuking, and spamlist-changing functions in Wakaba).

How about adding flexibility to the DELETE_FIRST option in config.pl, using booleans to define when to keep or remove a thread (including AND/OR/NOT arguments)?

Also, options for both automated permasaging and pruning by postcount, creation date/time, and board position (all configurable in config.pl of course).

Some other layout points:

• The Title field should go above the Name and Link fields in 2ch mode.

• 2ch's "new thread" post box is at the bottom of the main page. From every practical standpoint, the current solution in Kareha is a lot more convenient, but you may want to go over that just in case.

• Futaba now uses "..." instead of ">>>" to prefix repy blocks.

> Why?

I am not the user who initiated this parition but I find them to be triggered far too often.

> On another note, why have I seen partition instead of petition multiple times?

An old imageboard meme. Don't ask!

>>70

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> Personally, I find the reverse order listing, as well as the random order listing, to be a bit silly & useless.

Well, no, duh, that's the point. They're jokes.

> The only useful bonus feature here seems to be the comma range seperator, but it seems even in that case there is not much benefit to it (saves 1-3 links in the average case that it is needed, which is rare to begin with).

On the contrary, it's very useful when referring someone to a specific discussion in a thread where several discussions are going on, since you can make a link that only shows the relevant posts. Not just on the board but when linking to threads elsewhere.

> Why?

I am not the user who initiated this parition but I find them to be triggered far too often.

> On another note, why have I seen partition instead of petition multiple times?

An old imageboard meme. Don't ask!

Additionally, I'd like WakabaMark to be fixed somehow.
I don't know how, though. You know my resentments.

Finally, thanks for your fine work throughout all this time.
It is appreciated!

>>153

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Domain

It means anyone can do whatever they want with it. They can't claim copyright, though, since they didn't create it in the first place. They can modify it an claim copyright on their modifications, at least as long as they're significant enough, but that doesn't affect existing works in the public domain.

> This is kinda what I had pushed for earlier in >>52. I think that separating the sage (aka, "don't bump"), fusianasan (aka, "show IP"), and ID:Heaven (aka, "no ID") functions from any particular post elements in the main scripts would be ideal for implementing Kareha in systems where inputting a certain string to trigger these functions is not intuitive (ie, every board outside of the 2ch/Futaba family). These trigger strings (S_DONTBUMP, S_SHOWIP, S_NOID) and their assignment to a certain form field input could be instead implemented individually in each template.

There's no obvious way to do this, since there has to be code that specifically checks a field and takes certain actions long before the template comes into play. It'd take some sort of plugin system to implement it, and I don't think that's quite called for.

Also >>154 is Kami.

What does Thorn have to do with Kareha? Thorn's counterpart is Wakaba.

Anyway, the version of Shiichan on world4ch is bust. It's not a case of feature versus feature here, Shiichan simply doesn't work. It's not worth comparing until it doesn't break regularly.

If Shii were still working on it might be different, but Shiichan is effectively a dead project which incidentally has a closed and broken version working on world4ch.

About the etyomology of "fusianasan":
http://4-ch.net/nihongo/kareha.pl/1102656968/224-

All right, code updated again. This time, some experimenting! I've implemented a tentative system for changing markup types. This needs a bunch of testing, of course, so here's the test thread link once again: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/

Thoughts and comments are welcome. I'm still trying to figure out how exactly to do this.

There's a bunch of other changes and fixes too, so mention if anything breaks, as usual. Also, shift-reload!

> Frankly, the combinations of many things into unrelated fields is a design flaw.

I don't think so, not in these cases. What's the alternative? Having a different field for fusianasan, a new checkbox for sage, etc.? That's just cluttering up the interface.

> What if you want to use a name/trip and fusianasan?

Then just make one post with your name/trip and one with fusianasan and let your ID show up in both.
fusiansan is just intended for rare or special cases anyway, as is the whole subject of identification on anonymous message boards.

> What if your email address contains the string 'sage'?

Huh?

> What if you want to sage a thread, but have an ID still?

Then the board has to be configurated to just do that (it already can).

> why should I have to remember something so foreign?

It's rarely needed anyway. Also, these things are pretty easy to remember. "sage" and "fusianasan" is all there is, really.

Anyway, test with |

I'm not sure I want to make a ban system. I'd rather just make it easy to interface with a simple banning script that does whatever's needed for the server it's running on.

testing #`¦

Currently, pruning by age is measured from the time of the newest post in the thread, so it wouldn't really work. I'm not sure if this is the best behaviour or not, but it seems it makes more sense to kill threads nobody cares about than to kill slow-moving threads just because they get old.

How come this is now the by far biggest thread on this board?

Maybe it's because I'm posting useless replies like this one!

> The error page in mode_message should more closely resemble that of 0ch (complete with "ERROR!" title).

Signed. And the style selector on the error page is pretty useless.

>>9
That's an option, you pick which one you want.