The Legendary Next Update (365)

167 Name:   2005-10-19 18:55 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Oh:

> Getting back to inconsequential nitpicking: I find the "___ image replies omitted" phrase to be a bit redundant, and for one it confuses me as to whether or not those image replies are separate from text-only replies. How about simply calling it "images"?

Yes, that's a great idea, which is why I've always done just that. You're thinking of 4chan.

274 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 16:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Did you ditch customizable capcodes?

No, I removed the dumbass capcode I put in as a demonstration, because I don't like capcodes.

> Using "◆" as the default tripkey character.

I dunno, I always thought that was a kind of big and annoying symbol. Especially when it's so close visually to the question-mark-in-diamond marker some fonts use for characters they don't support.

> How about placing the Formatting menu to the left or right of the "File: " field? I'd also like to see WakabaMark changed to its real name (Markdown).

The File field is almost never there. Also, WakabaMark is similar to, but not the same as Markdown. There are significant differences that make them incompatible (since Markdown is designed to be used when you know you're using it, but WakabaMark tries as best as it can to not do unexpected things if you don't know about it). I might add optional support for real Markdown at some point.

> In Pseud0ch, post numbers should be the same size/format as the rest of the header text

I tried, and it looked much worse than the current solution. Besides, post numbers in Kareha and 0ch aren't the same, since they're clickable here.

> PS. What's "Raw HTML"?

Pretty useless. I'll probably remove it. It's HTML input without turning newlines into <br/>.

> Oh, and "AA mode" should be changed to "Text art mode"

Maybe just "Text art"... hmm.

193 Name: 148,161,166 2005-10-20 12:04 ID:0dCD+kFU [Del]

>>Well, then you are out of luck, aren't you? So you want to enter your E-Mail but cannot because then the post wouldn't bump then? Solution: Write it in the comment field, problem fixed.

There is no reason to change well-known keywords for this or even turn this into a frustratingly unconvenient tickbox/checkbox.
Having a specific trigger to trigger ID would also work.

>discussion of only one comment box, then you couldn't talk about sage/fusianasan/whatever

You could only trigger the functions in a specific format, say

:link-sage
:name-blah#faggot
lol comment

I do not believe this was an actual request, but it is obviously possible and usable. Another way would be escaping keywords that you want to post.

> partition to kill secure tripcodes

Why? If you are going to get rid of secure tripcodes you should get rid of tripcodes by the same reasons. On another note, why have I seen partition instead of petition multiple times?

>So I misspelled one word once. Sue me!

My point was that it is unnesessarily obtuse, not nit-picking that you misspelled it.

>This is a widely used system. There is a very low learning curve here. sage = does not bump thread when replying, that's all there is to know. People can then figure out why it is useful on their own.

You would think there is a low learning curve, but that is not really the case. For example, on an imageboard, what effect do you have making a sage post (with no real content) with prune oldest and a permasage limit? What about prune oldest with a permasage limit that excludes sage replies?

>trigger replacements

I'm not sure what to replace sage with, if anything. Down certainly doesn't describe it (to me it implies the reverse of age, which is not the case). don't_bump or dont_bump? show_host or show_ip works for fusianasan imo... show_ID to trigger ID?

105 Name:   2005-10-17 15:17 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>103

Noted.

176 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 02:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

PS: I just tested fusianasan + tripcode on 2ch, it works fine.

272 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 16:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

PS. What's "Raw HTML"?

91 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 13:55 ID:hjzD4Li4 [Del]

Put the Entire thread link on the top of the thread, not the bottom.

39 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 14:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>38
Sorry, I guess I should've worded that more clearly. I was referring to the ability for users to delete their own posts. It's counter-productive to discussions when a user deletes his own post and a quick replier later quotes or references it. It also encourages users to be lazy with posting, because they can always go back and hide their mistakes.

312 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-24 18:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oops. I got confused by the "link to parent post" thing. Maybe you could make that an anchor as well.

Not getting quote highlighting is the point, isn't it? I guess if you really want WakabaMark to spread you can force it on everyone who doesn't know how to change, but it would be nicer to make people choose it so we don't have to constantly see the results of accidental markup. This is more about social engineering than your program, though.

275 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 16:53 ID:Heaven [Del]

> The File field is almost never there.

...especially not when I've added a bug that makes it disappear. Where the hell did it go?

12 Name: test 2005-10-13 02:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>10
Exactly, but considering a lot of people can't make heads from tails in config.pl, how about a saner default?

>>11
That's true, but if least-popular threads are set to be deleted, instead of oldest-first, you don't have to guess.

216 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 15:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>208

> multi-page links (1-, 101-, 201-, etc) at the top of subpages

This is just implemented on some 0ch types. 2channel doesn't use it (at least on no board that I know of).

334 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 20:38 ID:y5Ya7L3/ [Del]

Suggestion / Request

Making "More options..." an option in the configs.

Seems sensible, when you already have the ability to turn off WakabaMark as a board admin. Also, it will make me stop whining (a bit).

98 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:26 ID:Heaven [Del]

Also, wouldn't making capcodes even more prevalent be considered A Bad Thing®? If anything, the role of capcodes should be minimized or altogether eradicated, in favor of ninja moderation.

Another question: would FUDGE_BLOCKQUOTES be considered deprecated by now, or are there still CSS styles out there that require it?

86 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 12:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

> The Title field should go above the Name and Link fields in 2ch mode.

Why should it?

> From every practical standpoint, the current solution in Kareha is a lot more convenient

It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.

> Futaba now uses "..." instead of ">>>" to prefix repy blocks.

Any idea why?

20 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-13 12:03 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>19

I can't reproduce this on Firefox 1.0.4 nor Safari on the Mac, but that ancient Firebird had a similar problem (but even worse).

Anyone else? Try post with a | in your name.

138 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 19:55 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>137
I'd advocate going for a separate interface a-la Wakaba, but it might be a bit too much to do for this release.

Also, maybe Easter Eggs like the Eternal September timestamp and others (if they exist) should be documented in config.pl.

Lastly, a question: who here finds enough use in the auto-expanding comment box to justify the annoyances when you click in or out of it?

57 Name:   2005-10-16 21:11 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

All right, a beta version with some new features is now installed for this board. It implements a couple of bug fixes, and navigational and 2ch-style improvements suggested in this thread. Try it out, and complain about stuff that doesn't work or doesn't make sense.

I also put in customizable capcodes now. You can define a string of arbitary HTML for the capcode, so you can put whatever kind of fagginess you want in there! Hooray! Try this out by posting with #test.

The good old test thread is still here: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/

297 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 20:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

How about appending an estimated (at the time of thread creation) time of pruning to the first post's header, if pruning-by-age is enabled?

115 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 03:20 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>108
I don't think that restricting specific users' posting priviliges is useful in any way except restricting them from posting.

>>108,113
"fusianasan" is for when a user wants to prove that he is posting from a certain place (like a school, a company's network or a military base).

>>112
A keyboard shortcut for "reply" in Kareha or "submit" in Wakaba would be nice to have.

303 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-24 05:33 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Is it intentional that thread links without a trailing slash

Uh, I was wondering the same thing. I'm not sure. I guess I should fix that.

121 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 05:31 ID:Heaven [Del]

I almost forgot this:

For thread-closing, it would be nice if Kareha would post a last post, telling the thread is now over and closed (with some default message that can be customized for each board), akin to the 0ch 1001th post behaviour.

153 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 13:16 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>152
What does that even mean? Does that mean nobody can come along and claim some sort of authorshop/copyright on Kareha or a slightly modified version of Kareha?

277 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 17:59 ID:Heaven [Del]

All right, made another small update. Needs a shift-reload again to work quite right (there's a short description of the various markup modes now). Also fixed >>143 and removed "Raw HTML".

243 Name:   2005-10-22 10:54 ID:Heaven [Del]

If you want to have a look at what the code actually does to dig out flaws, here is the current version:

sub sanitize_html($%)
{
my ($html,%tags)=@_;
my (@stack,$clean);
my $entity_re=qr/&(?!\#[0-9]+;|\#x[0-9a-fA-F]+;|amp;)/;

while($html=~/(?:([^<]+)|<([^<>]*)>?)/g)
{
my ($text,$tag)=($1,$2);

if($text)
{
$text=~s/$entity_re/&amp;/g;
$text=~s/>/&gt;/g;
$clean.=$text;
}
else
{
if($tag=~m!^\s*(/?)\s*([a-z0-9_:\-\.]+)(?:\s+(.*?)|)\s*(/?)\s*$!si)
{
my ($closing,$name,$args,$implicit)=($1,lc($2),$3,$4);

if($tags{$name})
{
if($closing)
{
if(grep { $_ eq $name } @stack)
{
my $entry;

do {
$entry=pop @stack;
$clean.="</$entry>";
} until $entry eq $name;
}
}
else
{
my %args;

$args=~s/\s/ /sg;

while($args=~/([a-z0-9_:\-\.]+)(?:\s*=\s*(?:'([^']*?)'|"([^"]*?)"|['"]?([^'" ]*))|)/gi)
{
my ($arg,$value)=(lc($1),defined($2)?$2:defined($3)?$3:$4);
$value=$arg unless defined($value);

my $type=$tags{$name}{args}{$arg};

if($type)
{
my $passes=1;

if($type=~/url/i) { $passes=0 unless $value=~/(?:^$protocol_re:|^[^:]+$)/ }
if($type=~/number/i) { $passes=0 unless $value=~/^[0-9]+$/ }

if($passes)
{
$value=~s/$entity_re/&amp;/g;

if($value=~/"/) { $value="'$value'" }
else { $value="\"$value\"" }

$args{$arg}=$value;
}
}
}

my $cleanargs=join " ",map { "$_=$args{$_}" } keys %args;

$implicit="/" if($tags{$name}{empty});

push @stack,$name unless $implicit;

$clean.="<$name";
$clean.=" $cleanargs" if $cleanargs;
$clean.=" $implicit" if $implicit;
$clean.=">";
}
}
}
}
}

my $entry;
while($entry=pop @stack) { $clean.="</$entry>" }

return $clean;
}

187 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 10:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

Another topic: since dynamic pages eat up CPU in order to rebuild pages according to URL parameters, what would be the likelihood of the current dynamic thread subpages having a significantly adverse effect in this aspect if a board were to grow to 2ch-sized proportions? Should there be a consideration to make these pages as static as the front page?

Also, let's put out a partition to kill secure tripcodes (unless they originated from 0ch/Futaba) and captcha (until we find a way to implement similar functionality without requiring it in the form of a GIF/PNG image), and add functionality for multiple uploads in one post.

And is there any practical way that Kareha can be modified to run multiple (even nested) boards in a single installation?

222 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 16:19 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>220
I meant only using the extra post for autoclose situations where the thread has exceeded the defined postcount limit in config.pl. As for the implementation, couldn't you just have Kareha use post_stuff() and (somehow) replace the timestamp with "Over XXXX Thread"?

100 Name:   2005-10-17 14:52 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>98

Well, that's what I've said from the start, but people keep requesting them.

FUDGE_BLOCKQUOTES is used by the Futaba style, and I guess I just want to keep it there to make it compatible with Futallaby-style CSS files.

159 Name:   2005-10-19 14:46 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Copyright only applies to the literal code, not to features, ideas, or algorithm. Patents do, to some extent, but that's not the issue here. Since I'm not going to write the exact same code, there's little they can do.

187 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 10:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

Another topic: since dynamic pages eat up CPU in order to rebuild pages according to URL parameters, what would be the likelihood of the current dynamic thread subpages having a significantly adverse effect in this aspect if a board were to grow to 2ch-sized proportions? Should there be a consideration to make these pages as static as the front page?

Also, let's put out a partition to kill secure tripcodes (unless they originated from 0ch/Futaba) and captcha (until we find a way to implement similar functionality without requiring it in the form of a GIF/PNG image), and add functionality for multiple uploads in one post.

And is there any practical way that Kareha can be modified to run multiple (even nested) boards in a single installation?

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