The Legendary Next Update (365)

97 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:14 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>96
forgot to mention that maybe a parameter could be included in config.pl to define an XHTML file for the disclaimer/rules block. It could be used both in 2ch and Futaba (right under the posting area) modes.

7 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-12 17:41 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

(Lots of stuff in here, click "whole post"!)

> How about listing what dmpk2k or you have done already?

Truth be told, I haven't even looked over his contributions yet. I'm doing some work on Kareha first. He did bandwidth load balancing for Wakaba across several servers, and image file archiving, at least. Plus some proxy checking and other goodies.

> Split threads and posts into separate tables. You're repeating the lasthit and parent column over and over.

Bad idea. Adds a lot of code complexity without adding any new functionality. The current solution is simple and robust.

> Automatic closing and moving of threads that do not get any activity in a certain timeframe (based on average activity frequency of the board)

This is nearly impossible to get right, and I don't think I'm going to try unless someone can think up a reliable algorithm that uses the data that is availble (not much).

> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)" (it's just handy to have that)

I tried several times, and concluded it wasn't worth the code and database overhead it would take. This feature is relatively easy to implement for Futaba-style post number limited boards (and Futaba implements it really stupidly), but it gets tricky when you have different deletion modes and want to do it right.

> Prune-limit mode that is defined by number of files or size sum of files on a board

Size limit is already implemented. I might add file limit, but I'm not sure it's all that useful, when you already have the size limit.

The rest, I agree with, and I will try to get most of it done. I'm sure there's some more stuff hidden in old threads, though!

20 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-13 12:03 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>19

I can't reproduce this on Firefox 1.0.4 nor Safari on the Mac, but that ancient Firebird had a similar problem (but even worse).

Anyone else? Try post with a | in your name.

291 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 19:54 ID:Heaven [Del]

No "2ch mode" link in the footer? I think Hiroyuki deserves some credit.

282 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 18:24 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>280

I'm not sure. On the one hand, people expect that to work. On the other hand, it can be a bit annoying. On the third hand, it's not all that annoying anyway.

119 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 04:28 ID:Heaven [Del]

I found this:

fusianasan【ふしあなさん】[名・自スル]
2ちゃんねるに書き込みする際に名前欄に「fusianasan」の文字列を入力すると、その書き込みをした人のリモートホストのIPアドレスがさらされるようになっている。
本来は「(固定ハンドル)@fusianasan」などとして、まだキャップを取得していない固定ハンドルが自らIPをさらすことで騙りを防ぐためのシステムである。
が、裏2ちゃん関係のコピペが横行するに至って、一時期うっかりIPをさらしてしまう。
エロな人間が続出し、fusianasan廃止要望まで唱えられるに至った(当然却下されたが)。
IPをさらすことだけによる危険は、そのIPから手元で使用中のコンピュータを一意に特定でき
(ex:グローバルIPによる常時接続)、かつプロキシ・サーバー、ファイヤーウォールなどの防御策を怠っている場合にしか及ばないので、
fusianasanに引っかかったからといって実はそこまで神経質になることもなかったりする。
……過去にIPから仕事中に政府機関から2ちゃんねるにつないで裏2ちゃんに入ろうとしていた愚か者が釣れてさらされたという事例はあるが。
なお、現在では一部の板でデフォルトの名無しさん(名前欄未記入時の名前)が「fusianasanさん」などfusianasanを含む名前となっている場合がある。
また、串の性能を試すために敢えて裏2ちゃんに引っかかっていると思われる強者もちらほら見受けられる。

類義語:mokorikomo
参照:裏2ちゃん、キャップ

119 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 04:28 ID:Heaven [Del]

I found this:

fusianasan【ふしあなさん】[名・自スル]
2ちゃんねるに書き込みする際に名前欄に「fusianasan」の文字列を入力すると、その書き込みをした人のリモートホストのIPアドレスがさらされるようになっている。
本来は「(固定ハンドル)@fusianasan」などとして、まだキャップを取得していない固定ハンドルが自らIPをさらすことで騙りを防ぐためのシステムである。
が、裏2ちゃん関係のコピペが横行するに至って、一時期うっかりIPをさらしてしまう。
エロな人間が続出し、fusianasan廃止要望まで唱えられるに至った(当然却下されたが)。
IPをさらすことだけによる危険は、そのIPから手元で使用中のコンピュータを一意に特定でき
(ex:グローバルIPによる常時接続)、かつプロキシ・サーバー、ファイヤーウォールなどの防御策を怠っている場合にしか及ばないので、
fusianasanに引っかかったからといって実はそこまで神経質になることもなかったりする。
……過去にIPから仕事中に政府機関から2ちゃんねるにつないで裏2ちゃんに入ろうとしていた愚か者が釣れてさらされたという事例はあるが。
なお、現在では一部の板でデフォルトの名無しさん(名前欄未記入時の名前)が「fusianasanさん」などfusianasanを含む名前となっている場合がある。
また、串の性能を試すために敢えて裏2ちゃんに引っかかっていると思われる強者もちらほら見受けられる。

類義語:mokorikomo
参照:裏2ちゃん、キャップ

174 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 02:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Making them configurable from site to site is really dumb, because it would create an unthinkable usability mess.

Why? Let people figure out things themselves, if they are so keen on changing their keywords. They can get together in their own webmaster threads and figure this out. I don't see why this should be solved here.
Of course I think this is a dumb idea in the first place. Nobody needs to know what fusianasan and sage are. Write a FAQ with two sentences about it and/or let your oldtime users tell newbies. Two frickin' words, and you people talk about it as if it were something like making up a new system of romanization!

> Then why not simply boil it all down to the comment field, with trigger strings for inputting the name, e-mail, sage, ID:Heaven, and fusianasan? You can get a lot more minimal with the current interface.

That's a bit too much. You want to talk about sage and fusianasan in the comment field, not trigger it with it.
I suspect you are joking here, though. Design is about what you can take away and still remain optimal conveniency/efficiency on the user part, not about taking as much away as you are technically capable of.

361 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-31 16:44 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>360
Doesn't mean we can't have separate releases for special scripts. :)

72 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:19 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh, and please bring back MAX_LINES.

192 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 11:52 ID:iWMGI/HY [Del]

> The "entire thread" link can easily be changes to link to the files in /res/ instead of going through the script, but that would make it somewhat less convenient when you want to consturct custom URLs, so I haven't done it.

A better solution would be to use mod_rewrite to rewrite all /kareha.pl/$number/ links to /res/$number.html
It schould be a lot faster then running the script and the links stay the same.

114 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-18 03:16 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>110
Happened to me, too, sometimes it goes black, sometimes it goes white. Screen reappears if you just scroll up a bit but it's still strange.

275 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 16:53 ID:Heaven [Del]

> The File field is almost never there.

...especially not when I've added a bug that makes it disappear. Where the hell did it go?

300 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 23:06 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>299
Seconded. This'll go a long way to resolving headaches with WakabaMark and SJIS art, and there really isn't anything egregious about its current implementation into the mode_message template (nothing compared to putting it in a separate area, for example)

Going back to the CSS selector: since switching styles is not inherently supported in all browser GUIs, how about having a third party create extensions for those browsers and freeing up the real estate on the actual page? The selector to me seems out of place with the rest of the layout, simply because it's only there for the purpose of presentation, not the actual page content. How many people out there change styles from board defaults on a regular basis because of readability preferences?

186 Name:   2005-10-20 10:07 ID:Heaven [Del]

No, but that's not the point.

339 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-27 05:53 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I'd like to have the interface reduced to what is absolutely neccessary

That's why there is a "More options..." link, instead of putting the controls there on every single thread everywhere.

209 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 14:16 ID:0dCD+kFU [Del]

More information on the all threads page, date of the last post? file size?

A quote button that puts >>n and puts the post prefixed by > in the reply box

Different secret strings for different functions (e.g. one for ID generation and one for secure tripcodes)

223 Name: 214 2005-10-21 16:41 ID:Heaven [Del]

I want a 1001th post! :(

285 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 18:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>284

HTML mode handles >> references, but not URLs because I've been too lazy to figure out a regexp that would handle that correctly. Also, yes, newlines are converted to <br /> intentionally. This matches how most sites that accept HTML markup work.

266 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 14:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

ugh "More options..."

too much clickable elements! and it doesn't even do anything (Firefox 1.0.7 here)!

out! out!

324 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 18:34 ID:Heaven [Del]

> forced fusianasan

that seems kind of evil.

260 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 16:20 ID:Heaven [Del]

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231 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 21:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

How about adding a link to 2ch in footer.html called "2ch mode"?

297 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 20:52 ID:Heaven [Del]

How about appending an estimated (at the time of thread creation) time of pruning to the first post's header, if pruning-by-age is enabled?

351 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E : 2005-10-28 04:55 ID:Heaven [Del]

I think you're a bit nutty, >>350...

183 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 09:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>182
That's not what I meant. What I meant was: If people want to change keywords to something, let them figure out at appropriate places what this something should be. Whether it should be "down", "stay_down" or "stay_put" is not really a discussion belongs here, not at this point anyway.

186 Name:   2005-10-20 10:07 ID:Heaven [Del]

No, but that's not the point.

162 Name:   2005-10-19 16:45 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Well, there are some issues to consider here:

  • Hardly anybody needs to ever use fusianasan. It's a gimmick. Design decisions should not be made around it.
  • The strings may be strange, and combining fields isn't the best design possible, but this is a 0ch clone, after all. If I were designing something from scratch, I'd do things differently, but as it is, people are expecting 0ch behaviour, and it would confuse them if the script worked like 0ch in some ways but not others.
  • I might consider adding additional strings that trigger sage and fusianasan, but I'm not sure what they should be.

In the end, people actually enjoy the 0ch quirkiness. I know I do. I know about designing good interfaces, but there's something fun about an interface that is a little bit quirky, as long as it doesn't get in your way, and these things don't.

162 Name:   2005-10-19 16:45 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Well, there are some issues to consider here:

  • Hardly anybody needs to ever use fusianasan. It's a gimmick. Design decisions should not be made around it.
  • The strings may be strange, and combining fields isn't the best design possible, but this is a 0ch clone, after all. If I were designing something from scratch, I'd do things differently, but as it is, people are expecting 0ch behaviour, and it would confuse them if the script worked like 0ch in some ways but not others.
  • I might consider adding additional strings that trigger sage and fusianasan, but I'm not sure what they should be.

In the end, people actually enjoy the 0ch quirkiness. I know I do. I know about designing good interfaces, but there's something fun about an interface that is a little bit quirky, as long as it doesn't get in your way, and these things don't.

89 Name:   2005-10-17 13:10 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

> Also, I'd like to ask exactly how Kareha does automatically generates deletion passwords. I'm guessing it's similar if not identical to how it creates ID session codes with a user's IP.

Actually, no, the Javascript just strings some random numbers and letters together.

> Because it's one of the two requirements for creating a new thread, and it's a lot more important to have a well-defined topic than to fill in your name.

But the body text is even more important, and that goes at the bottom. So I dunno.

>It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.

Would it maybe make sense to make a separate thread creation page?

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