The Legendary Next Update (365)

80 Name: 79 2005-10-17 09:17 ID:Heaven [Del]

Argh, beaten and >>n isn't even implemented. orz

201 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 18:28 ID:Heaven [Del]

> people like admins might prefer to use them

but they have capcodes now...

160 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 14:51 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>157
So the functions need to be hardcoded to a post element one way or another? If I wanted to, let's say, create a template for gazo-box or Shiichan (both use checkboxes for sage), I'd need to slightly modify kareha.pl to check that new checkbox input instead of the Link string input?

An interesting limitation. Thanks for explaining.

About permasaging/deleting after a certain thread filesize is reached: would this be the same as a limit on the total number of characters in a thread? Or would we also include WakabaMark formatting, hyperlinks (including navigation), name/date/title headers, reply boxes, and non-Unicode characters in the formula?

>>158
Chances are that most if not all major/fundamental changes made to Kareha's core scripts will clash with the philosophy of most people here (including WAHa), and they won't care for them anyway. There really aren't all that many big-bang end-user features left to be implemented in Kareha before it loses its minimalist charm.

P.S. Reminder for >>85

326 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-26 19:08 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

> Wait, why should l50 links be indexed/cached?

Because the only way for the search engine to find the old threads is to go through the l50 links. I'm taking the advice of >>322 though.

> The CSS in the All threads page is unsightly. Is there a way to properly wrap the outer color border(s) around the table of threads?

You need to explain what you're talking about before I can do anything about that. What style, and what does "wrap the outer color border(s) around" mean?

> I still say that the "Navigation: " text is extraneous when people can clearly see what the links do. Also still partitioning for 0ch-style error pages (with displayed user host and all).

It's there because freefloating unlabelled links look weird.

> Now that we do have filesize indicators in the backlog page of mode_message, do you still find it useless to have the red bold filesizes near the bottom of thread subpages?

They're there, but only if you enable pruning by size.

> Does mode_message now work in PAGE_GENERATION => 'paged'?

No. I'm too lazy to figure what that's supposed to do, and I don't think anybody actually wants to use that in the first place.

> Idea: forced anonymous/sage/ID/fusianasan by IP/thread/board/whole site (some of these combinations already exist, I know)?

There's no database to keep IP data in, and I'd prefer to keep the script completely agnostic to IP addresses.

> Finally, I imagine that the permasage/close/delete functions in kareha.pl will be easily interchangeable among the conditions in post_stuff(). Can you confirm this?

No, because I don't know what you mean.

278 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 18:02 ID:Heaven [Del]

Text Art's description about auto-linking URLs and >> references is redundant. Not a bad solution with the layout, though (hiding the menu behind "More options..." still bugs me).

150 Name:   2005-10-19 08:46 ID:ReFmOAs0 [Del]

> That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?

Er, that's a bug I guess.

> 1) rename the RENZOKU constants to something that makes sense

I dunno, they're pretty useless anyway, as has been pointed out, so I don't know if I care enough to change them.

> 2) Have the string to sage and fusianasan defined as a constant in config

I dunno, if different boards use different strings, that will only make for immense confusion.

> 3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field

Well, the only string that makes sense is sage, but yes, I should implement the Heaven-on-sage behaviour.

> 4) Cookie preferences such as "Don't use expanding textarea" which leaves it small or big.. or another option for that choice as well; an option to not save Name/Email automatically; anything else that is useful?

Maybe, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort (I'd have to implement a preferences page for it, too).

7 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-12 17:41 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

(Lots of stuff in here, click "whole post"!)

> How about listing what dmpk2k or you have done already?

Truth be told, I haven't even looked over his contributions yet. I'm doing some work on Kareha first. He did bandwidth load balancing for Wakaba across several servers, and image file archiving, at least. Plus some proxy checking and other goodies.

> Split threads and posts into separate tables. You're repeating the lasthit and parent column over and over.

Bad idea. Adds a lot of code complexity without adding any new functionality. The current solution is simple and robust.

> Automatic closing and moving of threads that do not get any activity in a certain timeframe (based on average activity frequency of the board)

This is nearly impossible to get right, and I don't think I'm going to try unless someone can think up a reliable algorithm that uses the data that is availble (not much).

> Reintroduction of "Marked for deletion (old)" (it's just handy to have that)

I tried several times, and concluded it wasn't worth the code and database overhead it would take. This feature is relatively easy to implement for Futaba-style post number limited boards (and Futaba implements it really stupidly), but it gets tricky when you have different deletion modes and want to do it right.

> Prune-limit mode that is defined by number of files or size sum of files on a board

Size limit is already implemented. I might add file limit, but I'm not sure it's all that useful, when you already have the size limit.

The rest, I agree with, and I will try to get most of it done. I'm sure there's some more stuff hidden in old threads, though!

83 Name:   2005-10-17 12:09 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh yeah, regarding the CSS selector: HTML dropdowns aren't styleable, and will look like shit. I'll look into using some other trickery for that, though.

37 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 13:32 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oops, forgot to link the first point to my original thread: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127326007

Oh, and see if dmpk2k is willing to port over the proxy detection and load-balancing/distributed server cluster functions to Kareha. Those would be neat.

168 Name:   2005-10-19 19:00 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

> (albeit edge cases)

Which is the crux of the matter - it mostly doesn't matter to the vast majority of users.

> You still end up with no way to link the fusianasan post with the name/trip one without IDs enabled (unless the ID method is known and no secret data is used).

You can use fusianasan with a tripcode, at least on Kareha. I suspect you can on 0ch too, but I haven't checked.

28 Name: !f53YGgdzmM 2005-10-14 00:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

Weird, ¦ now stays ¦.
Testing #¦ now.

49 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-15 19:03 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>48

That is an interesting idea, and one that deserves some more thought.

51 Name: dmpk2k!hinhT6kz2E 2005-10-15 19:43 ID:Heaven [Del]

> It would eliminate the concept of sageing as a protest entirely.

Except that nobody knows what's going on back-end.

I like the idea though.

105 Name:   2005-10-17 15:17 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>103

Noted.

277 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 17:59 ID:Heaven [Del]

All right, made another small update. Needs a shift-reload again to work quite right (there's a short description of the various markup modes now). Also fixed >>143 and removed "Raw HTML".

22 Name: | 2005-10-13 19:57 ID:Heaven [Del]

> statically linked executable

I have to disagree with this. It should run in perl too.

  • If you're running wakaba, obviously perl must be there
  • Most hosts that library-poor don't provide compilers (or shell) either

166 Name: 148,161 2005-10-19 18:40 ID:0dCD+kFU [Del]

>>> In the end, people actually enjoy the 0ch quirkiness. I know I do. I know about designing good interfaces, but there's something fun about an interface that is a little bit quirky, as long as it doesn't get in your way, and these things don't.

It does get in your way though, I enumerated cases where this is the case (albeit edge cases).

>>>Then just make one post with your name/trip and one with fusianasan and let your ID show up in both.

fusiansan is just intended for rare or special cases anyway, as is the whole subject of identification on anonymous message boards.

You still end up with no way to link the fusianasan post with the name/trip one without IDs enabled (unless the ID method is known and no secret data is used).

>>>It's rarely needed anyway. Also, these things are pretty easy to remember. "sage" and "fusianasan" is all there is, really.

You spelled it fusiansan once.

Also, how is Kahera unrivaled when there are still large sites that are not running it? Shiichan is still on world4ch, Thorn on parts of wakachan for example.

http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1127713568/l50 is also semi-relevant

39 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 14:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>38
Sorry, I guess I should've worded that more clearly. I was referring to the ability for users to delete their own posts. It's counter-productive to discussions when a user deletes his own post and a quick replier later quotes or references it. It also encourages users to be lazy with posting, because they can always go back and hide their mistakes.

159 Name:   2005-10-19 14:46 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

Copyright only applies to the literal code, not to features, ideas, or algorithm. Patents do, to some extent, but that's not the issue here. Since I'm not going to write the exact same code, there's little they can do.

57 Name:   2005-10-16 21:11 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

All right, a beta version with some new features is now installed for this board. It implements a couple of bug fixes, and navigational and 2ch-style improvements suggested in this thread. Try it out, and complain about stuff that doesn't work or doesn't make sense.

I also put in customizable capcodes now. You can define a string of arbitary HTML for the capcode, so you can put whatever kind of fagginess you want in there! Hooray! Try this out by posting with #test.

The good old test thread is still here: http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1099697376/

229 Name: Shii the Metal Idol 2005-10-21 18:13 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

0ch-PHP had this nifty feature where if it was a certain "high bandwidth" time of day, then you couldn't view the whole thread.

Hm... that is kind of useless on a worldwide forum, huh?

But there should still be an option to keep people from viewing more than 100-200 posts, as an emergency way of saving bandwidth.

203 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 20:58 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>177

> It's not worth comparing until it doesn't break regularly.

The only problem with it is that it doesn't do paranoid file writes. The fact that the entire server occasionally breaks isn't related to how broken the script itself is.

111 Name: anon!21anon4H3U 2005-10-17 20:34 ID:Heaven [Del]

Thought of something else: can there be the ability to separately place a title on a board and what the head <title> element says?

Like "Music" for the header but "foolchan - music" for the title in the browser window.

55 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-16 10:35 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>54
I really don't understand what the problem with the current system is. You must be confused. ┐('~`;)┌

247 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 12:15 ID:Heaven [Del]

Why would there be any use in writing actual HTML in posts? Seems to me like it's just inviting abuse.

133 Name: c-24-91-21-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net 2005-10-18 17:36 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

test2. looks good!

98 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:26 ID:Heaven [Del]

Also, wouldn't making capcodes even more prevalent be considered A Bad Thing®? If anything, the role of capcodes should be minimized or altogether eradicated, in favor of ninja moderation.

Another question: would FUDGE_BLOCKQUOTES be considered deprecated by now, or are there still CSS styles out there that require it?

12 Name: test 2005-10-13 02:11 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>10
Exactly, but considering a lot of people can't make heads from tails in config.pl, how about a saner default?

>>11
That's true, but if least-popular threads are set to be deleted, instead of oldest-first, you don't have to guess.

99 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 14:50 ID:Heaven [Del]

I've returned from the world of the dead, with old forgotten...suggestions! http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1109447905/l50

>-Scaleable administration (ie, [variable permissions for different passwords])
>-Forcenick and/or force anon for [specified IPs]

108 Name: 34.75.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com 2005-10-17 19:51 ID:Heaven [Del]

I thought fusianasan was supposed to be a mod-only function to weed out bad posters. And what would be the difference between revealing the persons's IP and his ISP's domain?

>>99
I didn't mean to include Forcenick in there, sorry.
Adding to that, however, how about forced sage for specificed IPs? It'd make for a great slogan: Remember kids, tripcodes and aging are privileges, not rights!

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