The Legendary Next Update (365)

327 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 19:13 ID:GUU8bzQY [Del]

What about a(n) (optional) preview page? It would be nice, especially with the multiple formating options. It also allows most of the benefits of being able to edit posts, without being able to edit posts. I don't know how often I've screw up a quote because it didn't look like multiple lines but it was.

Is there a reason why the post box is so small and pushed to the side?

Forced fusianasan would be fine I think, if they had advanced warning.

24 Name: 19 2005-10-14 00:36 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>20
"|" is not "¦"

262 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 16:46 ID:Heaven [Del]

"page top" is better imho

146 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 07:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>145

>does that mean you approve of removing the style selector on subpages?

I was referring to the entire board, but as you later explained, it seems it can never be removed completely. Though removing it from subpages wouldn't be a bad idea I guess.

>Kareha has no "No File" check in the first place

That's what I thought, but then why is it in the Reply pages?

Other: Have you considered multi-page links with intervals of 100 posts at the top of subpages (ie, 1-, 101-, 201-)? Red, bold thread filesizes displayed near the bottom of subpages?

Something else to consider: separating the board description/rules template from the board- or site-wide announcements. Check out http://0ch.mine.nu/test/read.cgi/jikken/1120050851 to see what I mean.

52 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-15 19:48 ID:Heaven [Del]

On second thought, the whole search idea was pretty poor...but could you implement saging in a way that's independent of any particular post element, and is instead assigned in the individual templates?

323 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 18:16 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>321
Wait, why should l50 links be indexed/cached? IMO the only links that should be on Google at all are main pages and "entire thread" links.

Some final points (I hope) before the whole thing is wrapped up:

  • The CSS in the All threads page is unsightly. Is there a way to properly wrap the outer color border(s) around the table of threads?
  • I still say that the "Navigation: " text is extraneous when people can clearly see what the links do. Also still partitioning for 0ch-style error pages (with displayed user host and all).
  • Now that we do have filesize indicators in the backlog page of mode_message, do you still find it useless to have the red bold filesizes near the bottom of thread subpages?
  • Does mode_message now work in PAGE_GENERATION => 'paged'?
  • Idea: forced anonymous/sage/ID/fusianasan by IP/thread/board/whole site (some of these combinations already exist, I know)?
  • Finally, I imagine that the permasage/close/delete functions in kareha.pl will be easily interchangeable among the conditions in post_stuff(). Can you confirm this?

23 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-13 22:46 ID:0dCD+kFU [Del]

The point is to make a portable file, so you do not /have/ to compile it on the host. Statically linked lets you use libraries that the host does not have.

Sure, doing it in perl is an option though.

268 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 15:00 ID:Heaven [Del]

I hate that blue link next to the reply box! It looks ugly!

Also, there's no "Less options..."

Can't this be somewhere else but the post form?

169 Name:   2005-10-19 19:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

How come this is now the by far biggest thread on this board?

Maybe it's because I'm posting useless replies like this one!

139 Name:   2005-10-18 20:03 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

You can't document easter eggs! That's crazy talk!

Also, I find it insanely more annoying to write text in five-line tunnel vision than whatever annoyance might be caused by a comment box that expands.

321 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-26 09:17 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

About rel=nofollow: What links should have it? Obviously not the "entire thread" link, but the l50 links in the thread list sort of need it, otherwise the search engine will never find them in the first place. But that means the l50 links will end up in the index.

72 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 08:19 ID:Heaven [Del]

Oh, and please bring back MAX_LINES.

31 Name: !nFxirOdZ2I 2005-10-14 00:57 ID:Heaven [Del]

testing #`abcdef¦

355 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-28 19:32 ID:m/57LIb/ [Del]

There needs to be a separate page for bans, at least.

33 Name: !WAHa.06x36 2005-10-14 05:01 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>32

Your browser momentarily regressed to an old bug and then got better? Who can tell?

>>22

Running in pure perl would be ideal, portability-wise, but in practice implementing a JPEG loader and saver from scratch in Perl is both a lot more work than anyone wants to do, and the result will also be too slow.

As was already stated, making a statically linked executable lets you distribute pre-compiled binaries that people can just upload along with the script.

88 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 12:39 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>86

>Why should it?

Because it's one of the two requirements for creating a new thread, and it's a lot more important to have a well-defined topic than to fill in your name.

>It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.

Good point.

>Any idea why?

I dunno. I guess it's just another one of Futaba's countless layout quirks.

39 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-14 14:13 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>38
Sorry, I guess I should've worded that more clearly. I was referring to the ability for users to delete their own posts. It's counter-productive to discussions when a user deletes his own post and a quick replier later quotes or references it. It also encourages users to be lazy with posting, because they can always go back and hide their mistakes.

294 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-23 20:38 ID:Heaven [Del]

> I don't see a big fat ugly WakabaMark FAQ next to the post form either.

You don't see the link to the WakabaMark page either?

> I am just guessing here, but I am pretty sure most people will only change their settings in very rare cases.

I just added the Text Art mode so that people could post AA on any board and have it work right, but the only way for that to work is if you can quickly change modes between posts.

Look, it's getting just a tiny bit annoying with the complaining. I've been putting a huge amount of effort into making this work well both for those who want markup and those who don't. If you don't like it, you turn it off and don't need to bother with it again. There's just a tiny little link there to let people do this. Is this really a such a huge bother to deal with? It's *two words*.

326 Name: !WAHa.06x36 : 2005-10-26 19:08 ID:SjmelPTB [Del]

> Wait, why should l50 links be indexed/cached?

Because the only way for the search engine to find the old threads is to go through the l50 links. I'm taking the advice of >>322 though.

> The CSS in the All threads page is unsightly. Is there a way to properly wrap the outer color border(s) around the table of threads?

You need to explain what you're talking about before I can do anything about that. What style, and what does "wrap the outer color border(s) around" mean?

> I still say that the "Navigation: " text is extraneous when people can clearly see what the links do. Also still partitioning for 0ch-style error pages (with displayed user host and all).

It's there because freefloating unlabelled links look weird.

> Now that we do have filesize indicators in the backlog page of mode_message, do you still find it useless to have the red bold filesizes near the bottom of thread subpages?

They're there, but only if you enable pruning by size.

> Does mode_message now work in PAGE_GENERATION => 'paged'?

No. I'm too lazy to figure what that's supposed to do, and I don't think anybody actually wants to use that in the first place.

> Idea: forced anonymous/sage/ID/fusianasan by IP/thread/board/whole site (some of these combinations already exist, I know)?

There's no database to keep IP data in, and I'd prefer to keep the script completely agnostic to IP addresses.

> Finally, I imagine that the permasage/close/delete functions in kareha.pl will be easily interchangeable among the conditions in post_stuff(). Can you confirm this?

No, because I don't know what you mean.

157 Name:   2005-10-19 14:11 ID:gBva8ggI [Del]

>>153

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Domain

It means anyone can do whatever they want with it. They can't claim copyright, though, since they didn't create it in the first place. They can modify it an claim copyright on their modifications, at least as long as they're significant enough, but that doesn't affect existing works in the public domain.

> This is kinda what I had pushed for earlier in >>52. I think that separating the sage (aka, "don't bump"), fusianasan (aka, "show IP"), and ID:Heaven (aka, "no ID") functions from any particular post elements in the main scripts would be ideal for implementing Kareha in systems where inputting a certain string to trigger these functions is not intuitive (ie, every board outside of the 2ch/Futaba family). These trigger strings (S_DONTBUMP, S_SHOWIP, S_NOID) and their assignment to a certain form field input could be instead implemented individually in each template.

There's no obvious way to do this, since there has to be code that specifically checks a field and takes certain actions long before the template comes into play. It'd take some sort of plugin system to implement it, and I don't think that's quite called for.

Also >>154 is Kami.

196 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-20 12:51 ID:tlSRz7E3 [Del]

>>189

>The effect would be miniscule in comparison to the huge increase in bandwidth that would result from sending the entire static thread pages.

How about a config.pl parameter to split up thread subpages into X posts per page? The navigation links already use 100 posts per page for practically everything except "Last 50 posts".

Hmm, I just remembered: >> links would not work at all with static pages. Not good.

>Why? Even if 0ch or Futaba implemented secure tripcodes, you wouldn't get the same secure tripcode there as on another board. That's the nature of the security.

Right, I guess it was dumb to mention 0ch/Futaba in the first place. The point is, as you said yourself, tripcodes are a gimmick, and if someone wants to maintain a persistent identity across multiple boards and sites (ie, everyone here with a tripcode), they have no choice but to use ordinary tripcodes. Secure tripcodes are useless because they limit your identity to a single board, supposing each board/site's cipher key is different -- which it should be, since that's the point of having a secure tripcode in the first place. No one should be so paranoid about a tripcode that they'd need to have a different one per board/site.

>Not without doing a lot of changes throughout the code, and not without breaking current installations.

Shouldn't we sacrifice some backwards compatibility for a more robust and scalable design? It might even be possible to provide an upgrade.pl for old threads.

>>193

>You could only trigger the functions in a specific format, say...

That's a cool idea, though for now it would have to be left alone if we want to keep Kareha compatible with 2ch/Futaba conventions.

>>195
Exactly. The methods and the effects of saging a thread are separate subjects.

P.S. I recently discovered "rXX-XX" for threads in /soc/. How exactly does this work? From the sound of it, it's supposed to randomize the post order, but when I hit refresh I get the same order.

169 Name:   2005-10-19 19:04 ID:Heaven [Del]

How come this is now the by far biggest thread on this board?

Maybe it's because I'm posting useless replies like this one!

165 Name: Shii the Metal Idol 2005-10-19 18:13 ID:z/kxsMjQ [Del]

> Huh?

You know, like [email protected].

Shiichan 2000 let you enter "down" to sage and "showip" for fusianasan, but it was mainly just a curiosity and was not used. There's no one English word that does the job of the pseudo-Japanese "sage". Better to have a tick-box and explain to people why it is useful. Or an option for it.

> Then the board has to be configurated to just do that (it already can).

No, 148 is referring to a user-end problem, not a server-end problem.

257 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-22 14:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

Semantical nitpick: shouldn't the "Page top" link be called "Thread list"?

327 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-26 19:13 ID:GUU8bzQY [Del]

What about a(n) (optional) preview page? It would be nice, especially with the multiple formating options. It also allows most of the benefits of being able to edit posts, without being able to edit posts. I don't know how often I've screw up a quote because it didn't look like multiple lines but it was.

Is there a reason why the post box is so small and pushed to the side?

Forced fusianasan would be fine I think, if they had advanced warning.

90 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-17 13:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

> Would it maybe make sense to make a separate thread creation page?

Considering that the ratio of users who start new threads to those who don't is pretty small on most message boards, I think it does.
A seperate page could also be used to put a more visible disclaimer/set of rules, as a seperate page with a different layout is likely to generate more attention from the user. Stuff that can be put there also wouldn't clutter up the frontpage.
I don't think this is an urgent matter, though.

270 Name: Anonymous : 2005-10-23 15:47 ID:Heaven [Del]

The problem reported in >>143 is still present.

232 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-21 21:22 ID:OTpdVASB [Del]

>>231 What would it do?

364 Post deleted by moderator.

149 Name: Anonymous 2005-10-19 08:31 ID:Heaven [Del]

> 3) A specific string for ID:Heaven instead of anything in the email field

Isn't that already an option in the config?

> 5) Seperation of sage et al from the email field to something else...

Strong oppose! I am of the (strong! lol) opinion that the current situation is the one working the best and also that it is widely accepted on almost all similiar board scripts (save for Shiichan and one obscure Japanese discussion board script that I once stumbled upon).

Previous discussion of this can be found here:
http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1102984488/

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