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> The Title field should go above the Name and Link fields in 2ch mode.
Why should it?
> From every practical standpoint, the current solution in Kareha is a lot more convenient
It's more convenient if you want to start a new thread, but for those who don't it's one more form to have to scroll by.
> Futaba now uses "..." instead of ">>>" to prefix repy blocks.
Any idea why?
Oh, and I apologize for indirectly causing you too much trouble with this change.
>You need to explain what you're talking about before I can do anything about that.?
See attached screenshot. It's in every style but Pseud0ch.
>No. I'm too lazy to figure what that's supposed to do, and I don't think anybody actually wants to use that in the first place.
Well the functionality is already in kareha.pl, right? All you need is some modifications to the mode_message template. You can check out the 2ch-like boards on Futaba for reference, though I'm pretty sure I've seen other 2ch-like boards that implement multi-paged functionality with a different layout. Personally, it isn't all that big a deal if it's just a template issue though.
>There's no database to keep IP data in, and I'd prefer to keep the script completely agnostic to IP addresses.
No need for a database, just a text file. You're right about storing IPs, though, but then how can you implement a banning system? Do you use an encrypted IP like the algorithm to generate ID codes?
>No, because I don't know what you mean.
I mean that (for example) if I wanted to replace the permasaging function under the MAX_POSTS condition (permasage after X posts) with the thread-closing function (close after X posts), all it would require is a simple replacement of the proper function references in post_stuff(), correct?
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Excessive, methinks.
>Is there a reason why the post box is so small and pushed to the side?
Because mode_message is modeled after the 0ch layout. To compensate for the smallness, it expands automatically when you click inside it.
>Forced fusianasan would be fine I think, if they had advanced warning.
This can be easily done manually with rules.html
>>55
I'm not complaining about the current system, just throwing around some new ideas for a change (instead of blindly following whatever new thing comes along on 2ch).
Damn, I was about to plug >>96 when I saw you uploaded the new version. Thanks for listening WAHa, you're awesome. :D
(Does this work like rules.html in mode_image? Is the board title inserted automatically in templates.pl or is it part of that separate html file?)
Already a few nitpicks though: (1) index.html#menu and index.html#1 links should be automatically inserted to the right of the board title (or below if you're looking at it without CSS), and (2) the "Create new thread" title isn't really necessary, since the widget button already explains its function (like with the reply box).
Unrelated: in 2ch thread lists, position numbers are followed by colons, not periods.
> Pruning set to furthest-back instead of oldest.
I don't like this one. You just have to continually age a topic (until it hits the permasage treshold) in order for it so survive a long time. Normal users might have good reason to ignore simply it, though...
> Size limit instead of post number limit, maybe?
Sounds good.
> I was thinking of setting the default behaviour to never permasage or close threads.
I guess I don't have a strong opinion on this one. As long as the values will be customizable, I don't really care, I suppose.
Also: I just noticed that "¦" in tripcodes will work correctly but turn into "�U" through the cookie on /soc/ but not on the sandbox.
>database redesign
You mean requiring SQL software, or just making backwards-incompatible changes that would screw up old threads?
>prevent abuse
Are you only referring to flooding and spamming, or also trolls and flamewars?
Finally, out of curiosity: how much of the functionality in the .js file do you think could be properly implemented into a new or existing perl script?
I have always found that it's more difficult than one would think to implement features that will measure "popularity" in a satisfying way that isn't open to abuse in one way or another.
I was browsing through some old threads and now they're all gone. :(
On second thought, the whole search idea was pretty poor...but could you implement saging in a way that's independent of any particular post element, and is instead assigned in the individual templates?
>>48-50
First of all, I don't believe it would make bumps more valuable in any way. People bump threads all the time with worthless replies since most don't even know what "sage" is or means or what it is good for. They will simply continue to do this, no matter whether the sage function is changed in this way.
Even at this stage, years after its introduction to a major western userbase, people are still clueless about the main basic functions of image- and discussionboards in the Futaba/0ch style. There are some signs of improvement, but they are rare.
I doubt people would be willing or eager to learn a new, different behaviour at this point in time.
The only real change is what >>50 points out (though I want to mention that even that point is mostly misunderstood: if people want to protest against a certain thread, they should post as many sage posts as it needs to get permasaged (although it's arguably counterproductive, considering the default prune behaviour of imgboards). If threads are still bumpable and trolls find that they have been flamed with a sage, they will just bump it once more). And I don't think that's enough to justify a pretty major function change.
I almost forgot this:
For thread-closing, it would be nice if Kareha would post a last post, telling the thread is now over and closed (with some default message that can be customized for each board), akin to the 0ch 1001th post behaviour.
More information on the all threads page, date of the last post? file size?
A quote button that puts >>n and puts the post prefixed by > in the reply box
Different secret strings for different functions (e.g. one for ID generation and one for secure tripcodes)
Plus if you were to allow those tags in HTML, you should do the same for WakabaMark (which actually takes its cue from Markdown, so I don't see why it has a different name).
> metadata
Not sure, that would require a database redesign and I don't want to force people with a current install to do that. Also, it seems something like that would work better for a whole new script, properly designed around the idea.
> config.pl parameter for a generic image that takes the place of a deleted image (ie, Hello Kitty)
Ah, good, been meaning to do, forgot about.
> Fine-grained banning options that let you choose whether or not the user is blocked from reading a board, posting to a board, or both. Another parameter defines the duration of his ban ('0' for permaban), and another defines a reason/message displayed when the user tries to access a board.
None of those seem useful to me, because I'm of the opinion that bans are to prevent abuse, not to punish users.
> Replace HTML error pages with dialog box equivalents using JavaScript.
Would require a bunch of hidden-iframing and such. I'd like to do a complete re-design full of javascript trickery, and this idea would fit better in such a context... That is to say, I'm lazy and the current version is robust, and I'm loathe to go around changing it, since it would introduce new problems.
> Kill user deletion. I can't see any case for when it'd have constructive uses.
On image boards, it has a very definite use - people do fuck up and post in the wrong thread, or create new threads. It's better if they can clean up after themselves. In Kareha, you can already disable deletion.
> Conversion to mod_perl?
As far as I know, it should work in mod_perl already, modulo some prototype bugs. I'll try to get those fixed.
> The standalone thumbnailer project is a great idea too. As a suggestion, how about adding functionality to also read and thumbnail document files like TXT, PDF, and DOC?
That would require a LOT of code, especially when you don't want external dependencies, so it's a bit iffy.
> Wait, why should l50 links be indexed/cached?
Because the only way for the search engine to find the old threads is to go through the l50 links. I'm taking the advice of >>322 though.
> The CSS in the All threads page is unsightly. Is there a way to properly wrap the outer color border(s) around the table of threads?
You need to explain what you're talking about before I can do anything about that. What style, and what does "wrap the outer color border(s) around" mean?
> I still say that the "Navigation: " text is extraneous when people can clearly see what the links do. Also still partitioning for 0ch-style error pages (with displayed user host and all).
It's there because freefloating unlabelled links look weird.
> Now that we do have filesize indicators in the backlog page of mode_message, do you still find it useless to have the red bold filesizes near the bottom of thread subpages?
They're there, but only if you enable pruning by size.
> Does mode_message now work in PAGE_GENERATION => 'paged'?
No. I'm too lazy to figure what that's supposed to do, and I don't think anybody actually wants to use that in the first place.
> Idea: forced anonymous/sage/ID/fusianasan by IP/thread/board/whole site (some of these combinations already exist, I know)?
There's no database to keep IP data in, and I'd prefer to keep the script completely agnostic to IP addresses.
> Finally, I imagine that the permasage/close/delete functions in kareha.pl will be easily interchangeable among the conditions in post_stuff(). Can you confirm this?
No, because I don't know what you mean.
> It's a link, it screams "Click me!".
There's something to be said about obsessive-compulsive... >.>;
>> config.pl parameter to permasage after a certain thread filesize/total number of characters has been reached
> Isn't this essentially the same as saying "Please don't talk so much?"
I am not >>208 but the first who suggested this here (long ago). I think it may be vital for future, actually popular boards to limit the filesize of a thread so that the board won't get hammered by repeated loads of whole threads without having to limit the size of posts themselves something fierce.
The Futaba template is missing the "No File" checkbox next to the File field in the Post New Thread area.
>>220
I meant only using the extra post for autoclose situations where the thread has exceeded the defined postcount limit in config.pl. As for the implementation, couldn't you just have Kareha use post_stuff() and (somehow) replace the timestamp with "Over XXXX Thread"?
>>157
So the functions need to be hardcoded to a post element one way or another? If I wanted to, let's say, create a template for gazo-box or Shiichan (both use checkboxes for sage), I'd need to slightly modify kareha.pl to check that new checkbox input instead of the Link string input?
An interesting limitation. Thanks for explaining.
About permasaging/deleting after a certain thread filesize is reached: would this be the same as a limit on the total number of characters in a thread? Or would we also include WakabaMark formatting, hyperlinks (including navigation), name/date/title headers, reply boxes, and non-Unicode characters in the formula?
>>158
Chances are that most if not all major/fundamental changes made to Kareha's core scripts will clash with the philosophy of most people here (including WAHa), and they won't care for them anyway. There really aren't all that many big-bang end-user features left to be implemented in Kareha before it loses its minimalist charm.
P.S. Reminder for >>85