Sage and the long lost threads (10)

1 Name: Anonymous : 2009-01-21 04:21 ID:Heaven [Del]

I realize that sage here is used commonly for what it was meant to be, simply to not bump a thread. I've read here before, don't bump a thread unless you have something meaningful to say. However, even when people say meaningful things, they sage.

I think it's neat, and also realize that it hides your ID, it's almost as if you're bribing people not to bump a thread by hiding their random identity. Has the culture of sage gone too far? What exactly are we trying to save the top spot for? New threads? Very commendable, and not that I have anything against that, it's just.... there isn't anyway to know if there are new posts in a thread if people keep using sage all the time.

Quite literally I have to memorize how many posts there were on that thread to know if any new were added when I last read it, especially when the thread gets bumped off the front page and I can't read the posts. I feel like there is a lack of balance. Sometimes I wish there was way to list threads in kareha in order of recent activity or something that would let me know where there are new posts since my last visit.

Am I thinking about this sage thing wrong? When people sage they actually don't want people to realize they've posted something? Or has everyone been pigeonholed into sageing due to the culture of this board?

2 Name: LiteralKa!!UIR4DE3n : 2009-01-21 06:06 ID:Heaven [Del]

>this board

Uh, 4chan didn't come first, it just perverted the original "sageing" culture.

>When people sage they actually don't want people to realize they've posted something?

No, it's quite detectable.

3 Name: LiteralKa!!UIR4DE3n : 2009-01-21 06:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

>I've read here before, don't bump a thread unless you have something meaningful to say.

Where? Your entire argument is useless without this.

>random identity

It's not random... (Look at the source code.)

>the culture of sage

What? There has never been a 'culture' of sage, it just was part of the culture.

>something meaningful

This is relative.

>When people sage they actually don't want people to realize they've posted something?

No, they just sage because it's "polite".

>I can't read the posts.

Use the RSS feeds.

>I have to memorize how many posts there were on that thread to know if any new were added when I last read it

Once again RSS feeds.

4 Name: Anonymous : 2009-01-21 06:51 ID:Heaven [Del]

I sage because:

  • I equate bumping a thread to saying "HEY EVERYONE READ MY POST OMG I'M SO SMART". I'm not, and I know it.
  • The closer to the 'top' of the board a thread is, the more likely it seems to become a magnet for dumb posts by trolls, those people who simply don't understand how to post in the right thread, and that very strange class of people who absolutely have to post every time they visit the board.
  • It's already filled in because I saged last time, so removing the sage from the box is actually more work. Not only that, it's more work twice because next time I would need to type 'sage' again.

Funny thing, I don't find the RSS feeds all that useful. Since they don't allow reading full comments, I always end up opening the page in a browser anyway, so I don't really see the point. That and if you're that fixated on reading every single post on the board, you really have way too much time on your hands anyway.

5 Name: LiteralKa!!UIR4DE3n : 2009-01-21 07:21 ID:Heaven [Del]

I try to only bump when a thread is still an active discussion topic and is falling/has fallen off the main page.

6 Name: Anonymous : 2009-01-21 12:49 ID:Heaven [Del]

some people sage because they think their opinion doesnt matter, some people sage because they think theirs does...

>It's not random... (Look at the source code.)

to someone who doesnt understand what it is, it might as well be

7 Name: Anonymous : 2009-01-21 15:23 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>2
>>3
Why so defensive?

This post has nothing to do with 4chan or any other board, simply with the issue of sage in this particular board. Which I find to be amusing, that's all. I am not attacking your way of life.

It's a random identity in the sense that it isn't a tripcode that the user made up, an identity that the user can change at any time. A random string of characters are assigned to you depending on the board setting.

8 Name: LiteralKa!!UIR4DE3n : 2009-01-21 17:25 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>7
Not defensive, just fed up with the notion that everything is just like 4chan.

9 Name: Anonymous : 2009-01-21 19:14 ID:Heaven [Del]

>>5
Funny, that's precisely when sage is most important on 2ch's boards. When it's gone from the front page, then people can more freely have actual discussion without a bunch of trolls and spammers. You get flamed for not saging in that case.

10 Name: Makoto!!QPpGvuVX : 2009-01-23 16:22 ID:Heaven [Del]

I sage because in a lot of cases, I really don't feel that what I say warrants enough importance to bump the thread all the way to the top. It's common courtesy. Yeah, occasionally some posts you make that you might've liked others to read do go unnoticed, but if no one responds or acknowledges a post in a thread, chances are no one cares.

>It's a random identity in the sense that it isn't a tripcode that the user made up, an identity that the user can change at any time. A random string of characters are assigned to you depending on the board setting.

I haven't taken a look at Kareha's source in a while (I've been writing with Perl more often lately; just not in the mood to tinker with Kareha), but I do know that usually user IDs are just an 8 character hashed string (generally the string is your IP (or a random set of characters) and the date). When the date changes (and/or when/if your IP changes), your ID changes.

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