i want realy people in the real world to talk to about ykk
i dont even know who to reccomend it to- and i dont know anyone who like manga.
Definitely isn't for everyone but it can be a life changer- how do you know who will be receptive to it?
What kind of person should i try reccomending it to?
How do you get past the basic prejudice most north americans have to comic books on their computers? it sounds like a childish thing to do, but it really did change my life reading it
- genes
Friday, September 22, 2006
Hmm. Target audience, eh? That's kinda tough. Not everybody has the time, tastes, or comprehension skills (picking up and understanding details and symbolisms) to enjoy the story. Details reappear several volumes later and I don't think that most of today's kids have long attention spans.
>and i dont know anyone who like manga.
Hah. Even if they DID like manga, YKK's so different and avoids so many cliches that there's still no guarantee that the average otaku would read it. It's soo... un-anime. XP Hell, just compare YKK to the what's popular at the moment. Bleach? Naruto? Not much in common. You'd probably have an easier time convincing a person who read novels than convincing one who reads manga.
Since YKK involves plenty of reminiscing and nostalgia, you'd probably be more successful in promoting the manga to older readers (maybe 20 and above).
If you're still in school or if you know anybody who still is (student or professor), maybe you could try recommending it to the English/Literature/Art department(s) or something. The people there would have probably been exposed to different forms of art from different genres so the chances of them appreciating the art and story would also be high..
- Jonathan
Saturday, September 23, 2006
What kind of person likes YKK?
Intelligent people who have excellent taste, of course.
- El Gonzo
Sunday, September 24, 2006
What kind of person likes YKK?
Intelligent people who have excellent taste, of course.
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lol youd be surprised- ive tried to get several people into it who looked at me like i was nuts, and thought i was bizarre after reading the first few pages.
Feeling kinda depressed about the people where i live :)
mainly its so alien to everything everyone is used to they have no way to even understand it.
I need smarter friends....
- genes
Sunday, September 24, 2006
I think fans of YKK are a bit introverted, they like and open for dreams, but live in the reality. They are "slow" and interested in long-term trends.
(I was not interested in mangas before I met AMG. The YKK was the second one which passed my strict test.)
- Kogepan
Monday, September 25, 2006
ok then lets change the question
how should i try to get someone else to read ykk
-when they have no background in manga or anime
-to convince them its a life changer
-to convince them to not lose interest after a chapter
- genes
Monday, September 25, 2006
Howdy,
I'm not sure you can. People tend to either be ready for a work of art, or they aren't. If your enthusiasm and the first chapter doesn't hook them, YKK may not be for them (yet).
Don't sweat it. Just wait for the folks whose eyes light up when you tell them "Robot, coffee shop, gentle apocalyptic future."
I know it's hard when you can't get someone to appreciate something you love, but you'll find other fans here in the meantime.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Monday, September 25, 2006
>Intelligent people who have excellent taste, of course.
Besides those, they need to be patient and have a lot of free time. It seems that YKK is best read at a slow and unhurried pace.
>ok then lets change the question
>how should i try to get someone else to read ykk
>-when they have no background in manga or anime
>-to convince them its a life changer
>-to convince them to not lose interest after a chapter
You could start by asking them if they have ever read The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger since a lot of people have either read it or at least heard about it. Although the themes and characters are quite different, the two are slice-of-life stories and both are similar in the implicit manner which the themes and symbolisms are laid out. And as with YKK, most of its readers consider The Catcher in the Rye as a life-changing story. Chances are, if they loved The Catcher in the Rye, YKK would also be their cup of tea.
You could also try marketing YKK as some sort of anti-stress therapy since a good number of readers (myself included) claim that the manga's calm and relaxing atmosphere is rather infectious.
As for convincing them that YKK is a life changer, I think it would be best if you leave it up to them to find that out on their own. Personally, I am thankful that I knew nothing about the series when I started it because it allowed me to experience the story without any actual expectations. Reading on and realizing its true value, I don't think I've ever had such a pleasant surprise before. On the other hand, telling people immediately about YKK's highlights might make them rush through (looking for the "good stuff") instead of simply letting the story unfold by itself.
In the end, there is no single method that would work for all people so I leave it up to how you want to go about it. Feel free to follow any suggestions though if you think that they'd actually work.
- Jonathan
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
I love YKK, and I *really, really* hated Catcher in the Rye. I think you're just confusing the fact that two works affected you deeply with those two works being somehow similar. Because I really can't see any way the borderline psychotic ramblings of Holden Caulfield have anything much in common with the quiet contemplation and resignation of YKK.
- Anonymous
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
>I love YKK, and I *really, really* hated Catcher in the Rye. I think you're just confusing the fact that two works affected you deeply with those two works being somehow similar. Because I really can't see any way the borderline psychotic ramblings of Holden Caulfield have anything much in common with the quiet contemplation and resignation of YKK.
Hmm. Or maybe you're just confusing the fact that two works affected you differently with those two works having nothing in common? I never said that their characters or the tones of the stories were similar. What I said was that both stories make use of implicit details to deliver their messages to their respective readers. The characters are only ordinary people doing trivial things but half of what's actually happening could only be given meaning if you read between the lines.
Take chapter 137 (Air) for example. Quite a number of pages and panels are dedicated to showing the weather. Ashinano first shows the wind blowing and Alpha's weather vane spinning madly. Later on, he shows that same weather vane but it is now lifeless, the air is still.
On could interpret this as a reflection of how time has affected Alpha and Makki. While Makki has been "swept away by the winds of change", time has stood still for Alpha in comparison. Notice that Makki does most of the talking while Alpha does most of the listening. It's because Makki has new experiences to share/talk about while Alpha has simply been stuck at her cafe. On the other hand, Alpha also experiences growth but she remains essentially the same person, a creature of habit. She may have changed the bell and the weather vane but it's still a bell and a weather vane. In a world where time flows, oceans rise, and humanity fades away, it seems that the Alpha series were meant to be the constants.
So, yeah, there's a lot that could be inferred or interpreted from "minor" details. If you could take the time to understand and appreciate Catcher in the Rye, YKK shouldn't be any trouble at all since the characters are more lovable (most people seem the hate the Catcher based on Holden's personality alone).
Besides that, both stories have themes about growing up, realizations about the world, and acceptance.
- Jonathan
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
>I love YKK, and I *really, really* hated Catcher in the Rye.
I for one was so uninterested in Catcher that I'd put the book down just a chapter or two in after each of the 3 times someone got me thinking it was worth reading.
I don't believe the two works operate along the same line, if you understand me.
To the question of how to introduce YKK....
If someone doesn't have any familiarity with popular manga (or, even better, anime), then that works to your advantage. They won't have any Bleach/Naruto/Pokemon associations to overcome. Americans who would be... ahhh, 'susceptible' to YKK may be those who have read fringe graphic novels in the past. In particular, the "Flight" series of compilations may be a good segue from more traditional works towards YKK. People with an appreciation for the spare art style may also be drawn in by that element.
Unfortunately, the intersesction of "sequential art" of any sort with "quiet" tends to be relatively small... the very fact that things like YKK and Aruku Hito are as fringe and refreshing as they are proves that.
Simply put, the kind of people who like YKK the most seem to be the kind who enjoy quiet. A rather rare breed in this too-busy world.
- Speaker59
Wednesday, September 27, 2006
> What I said was that both stories make use of implicit details to deliver their messages to their respective readers. The characters are only ordinary people doing trivial things but half of what's actually happening could only be given meaning if you read between the lines.
This is not something that makes two stories similar. It's merely a common technique in slightly more sophisticated writing.
> Besides that, both stories have themes about growing up, realizations about the world, and acceptance.
YKK has growing up as a sub-theme, but it'd hardly a main theme. And I don't think Holden Caulfield accepted a single thing throughout the whole of of Catcher in the Rye. He spends most of the time doing his damndest to not have to accept anything.
- Anonymous
Wednesday, September 27, 2006
love the way this topic grew- thanks for your input all
- genes
Saturday, September 30, 2006
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