Hey, as I was wandering around Wikipedia.com , I noticed that there was only a Japanese Wikipedia articles about YKK, and even then, it was little more than a stub. Since the people in this forum obviously feel very strongly about YKK, why don't we put together an article page for YKK? I would think this would be the group to do it. Also, this would be a nice page to point to if someone is curious enough for a glance as to why you have all of the YKK manga saved on your harddrive.
Besides, you all can change it later if you want.
Someone should take a stab at it! (before I do... I'd probably butcher it for fans out there... ^^;;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yokohama_Kaidashi_Kikou&action=edit
~Baltakatei
- Baltakatei
Friday, January 7, 2005
Howdy,
Sure, I'll start. You can edit me down later.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Friday, January 7, 2005
That's a super idea, Baltakatei!!! ^_^
It would be a great way for new people to become interested and find out more information about YKK. ^_^
Also, I know that I've come to understand the manga a lot more by reading the discussions posted here. ^___^ I don't know if it's appropriate (since it might not all be factual or objective), but a compilation of the various ideas and theories that people have about the robots, people and the world of YKK would be really cool too...if only as a reference or note of interest. And pages like kGo's "YKK - Behind the Panels" ( http://kimoto.cc/ykk/ ) are useful for new readers too.
It would be *awesome* if the forum made a comprehensive YKK page for Wikipedia. =)
- Carn
Friday, January 7, 2005
Thanks, Dave. Taking the first step and creating an article is a hard for me on Wikipedia. I'll have to go read up on the chapters to feel confident enough to add/edit details... (like how Alpha's place is near the Miura Peninsula...). I got a few things together for a possible article, but nothing organized yet. Heheh, this should be fun. ^___^
~Baltakatei
- Baltakatei
Friday, January 7, 2005
Howdy,
First hack up. Comment welcome.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Friday, January 7, 2005
When did Shiba-chan first appear? He's the one who is close to Kokone. (I always think of him as Ojiisan's son, but I have no evidence of this besides they both have the same squinty eyes and ever-grinning face)
- Baltakatei
Friday, January 7, 2005
When did Shiba-chan first appear? He's the one who is close to Kokone. (I always think of him as Ojiisan's son, but I have no evidence of this besides they both have the same squinty eyes and ever-grinning face)
- Baltakatei
Friday, January 7, 2005
Howdy,
Shiba is introduced in chapter 34, and she's a woman. She is Kokone's co-worker.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Friday, January 7, 2005
All I did was change some it's to its.
I think it looks great, dDave!! It's very thorough. ^_^
- Carn
Friday, January 7, 2005
"Shiba is introduced in Chapter... she's..."
Oops! My bad ^^;;
Just working on adding a bit here and there where I see fit. Lalalala~
- Baltakatei
Friday, January 7, 2005
We might want to contact Manga Project to see if they want to be linked on the article page. I would do it myself, but I haven't seen a formal page of theirs saying what ykk.misagi.org's "About" page does (this is blatant copyright infringment, "apologies to Ashinano Hitoshi", etc). Would linking even ykk.misago.org be considered to be advertisement? : / Hmm...
- Baltakatei
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Just read the article, nice work! But what chapter is the tiny model airplane engine in?
- Brad
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Howdy,
Chapter 124. Yet to be translated by Neil.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Saturday, January 8, 2005
The article is fantastic! Really great and concise, it manages to capture YKK well.
I added a note to the "Ojisan" character description; that his name is Putaro, but no last name as yet. From http://ykk.misago.org/Volume6/169
- Ian Darrow
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Oooh, I liked the bit about Ashinano's interest in Chinese culture.
What about kGo's note of the similarity of the Yi alphabet to Sensei's mark?
http://ykk.misago.org/Forum?cmd=show&id=2436&replies=1
- Carn
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Howdy,
Ojisan's name isn't putaro. Putaro means "bum", and he's making a self-depricating joke when he says "I'm putaro".
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Saturday, January 8, 2005
That's a great article dDave! I debated whether to add some of the curiosities you'd alluded to like the enormous vegetables, the past eruption of Mt Fuji, and the plants with humanlike attributes (e.g., brainy fungi and lamp trees), but decided it'd spoil the joy of discovery for new readers. Maybe I'm wrong though -- an encyclopedia article *should* be thorough after all.
So instead I just tweaked a word here and there, and changed some spelling. I also changed Kokone's last name from "Takakastsu" to "Takatsu" based on
http://ykk.misago.org/Volume5/42 and http://ykk.misago.org/Volume6/168
- KD
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Hey, I was wondering what would be a good primary image to put with the article. I don't want to be presumptuous and just upload some image that *I* think is good. So, which image would you think is appropriate?
My absolute favorite is Alpha holding her camera as she looks on under a blue sky in Chapter 32, page 4. ( http://ykk.misago.org/Volume5/4 ).
- Baltakatei
Saturday, January 8, 2005
I think most of the color covers or color pages would be nice as a main image. ^_^
I like http://ykk.misago.org/Volume2/Cover and http://ykk.misago.org/Volume8/Cover ..but the one with Takahiro, Alpha and Makki is nice too. ^_^
- Carn
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Howdy,
My vote is for the cover of Chapter 91.
http://ykk.misago.org/Afternoon2002/31
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Saturday, January 8, 2005
[Baltakatei looks outside at snow on the ground] ... "http://ykk.misago.org/Afternoon2002/31"; does look rather nice... But after a bit more thought, I think "http://ykk.misago.org/Volume6/Cover"; (the cover with Takahiro, Makki, and Alpha) would be more suitable since YKK is going to be increasingly more about Makki (this is the only cover where Makki is at the center. That and she looks cute). Hmm... dDave's choice shows a more clear picture of Alpha... Makki cover has lots of Japanese crowding the image... Hmm... I think dDave's might win out on me ^^;;
- Baltakatei
Saturday, January 8, 2005
Yeah, I agree. ^_^ The one that dDave linked is the prettiest. The only downside to it is that it doesn't show Alpha in her normal cafe environment. But still, it's a good picture to interest new readers since it's so pretty. =D
- Carn
Sunday, January 9, 2005
Read the article and loved what everyone contributed to it. I'm going to have to link to it on my fansite once I get my computer up and running on the Net this week. As for the picture to use with the article I was thinking, once someone mentioned Alpha doing cafe type work, of using one of the single pictures of Alpha from Volume 8 when she worked at that roadside cafe during her year on the road. I know the picture is in black and white but I do have a copy of it on my laptop and can color it in if it's what we want to use. Anyhoo, take a peek at it and see if that's what we want to use. Other than that one I couldn't find any title pages that had cafe scenes with Alpha outside of Chapter 2 or 3.
Here's the pic I like: http://ykk.misago.org/Volume8/76
- Christine K
Sunday, January 9, 2005
YKK on Wiki? Why didn't I think of that? ^_^
It would be a great place to compile what's known about the YKK world. I think spoilers would be fine, though maybe confine them to a section at the end.
Baltakatei's choice for image is a really good one. I think it conveys the feel for YKK more than the covers do. The covers seem to be more lively in order to attract attention.
I haven't given gone through ykk to make a discovery on a good image, but it would be nice to have Alpha and the cafe in a contemplative mood like this page: http://ykk.misago.org/Volume4/103.html
-k
- Kempis Curious
Sunday, January 9, 2005
One small pic that comes to mind with Alpha in her natural cafe environment would be one posted by Dom on Megatokyo (below the comic, right column):
http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=369
It's a lower-quality image that's linked here, and I forget exactly which volume it is when Alpha strikes this pose. But I would prefer something more homey and down-to-earth for an Alpha pic. It represents her simple story best, I believe. And there's just something about happy Alpha glancing towards you as she makes your coffee (wisps of steam rise behind her). #^__^# *melts*
I agree with Christine K's taste. Very nice image choice (big too! : ) ).
But if we were to go with a cover art, I would go with dDave's choice, since it's the most stylized and
aesthetic. ^_^
- Baltakatei
Monday, January 10, 2005
Baltakatei!!! I found the source of the pic:
http://ykk.misago.org/Volume9/50.html
I think it's absolutely perfect. ^__^ All of it.
I like Christine's a lot too, but this one is in color. ^_^ And it's Alpha in her cafe.
- Carn
Monday, January 10, 2005
Howdy,
I agree. Cut out the panel with Alpha leaning on the bar and I say we run with it.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Monday, January 10, 2005
Yeah I agree with everyone on that cafe pic in color. Heck, I'm going to have to save that page for my future graphics work. Nice choice. If I had known that one existed I would have suggested that one. Good find guys.
- Christine K
Monday, January 10, 2005
Hey ya'll,
I took Alpha's frame from http://ykk.misago.org/Volume9/50.html . I trimmed out some white space from the top and centered Alpha (not too much) and uploaded the image to Wikipedia.org as a PNG (that way no quality is lost from ykk.misago.org's copy. JPEGs... *shudders*). You guys can tweak the position and width of the thumbnail on the article (I set it at 230 pixles and aligned to the left). I also moved Alpha's pic to immediately after the first paragraph since it had little to do with Alpha's world.
#^____^#
It feels nice seeing Alpha look back at me from her "shrine" on Wikipedia. Ya'll can pick another image if you want, but I think this pic fits the article beautifully.
A fine looking article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokohama_Kaidashi_Kikou
- Baltakatei
Monday, January 10, 2005
It looks absolutely stunning, you guys. ^_^ Great job. The text of the article is wonderful, the organization is nice and I think "It feels nice seeing Alpha look back at me from her "shrine" on Wikipedia." sums it up perfectly. =)
- Carn
Monday, January 10, 2005
Corrected one typo and made small wording alterations; no factual changes. I missed the part where I was supposed to enter a summary of the changes made, so the log entry by "YKKkd" is blank :/
That picture is great BTW!
- KD
Monday, January 10, 2005
Pretty nice article.
"The series is only available in Japanese, ..." (Rev. 07:42, 11 Jan 2005)
YKK is available in Korean and Hong Kong Chinese.
http://www.aladdin.co.kr/shop/wproduct.aspx?ISBN=8952964020
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/icomicshop-hk/js031201llwpa-g.html
- kGo
Tuesday, January 11, 2005
Howdy,
Fixed.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Tuesday, January 11, 2005
The text on the illustration says Alpha is making a kettle of tea. The kettle is for boiling water which she uses for making coffee and other drinks as well as tea. Minor nit-pick, lovely article. Thanks.
- Robert Sneddon
Monday, January 17, 2005
Ya know...this *is* a Wiki. You can edit that to be more precise. Like I just did. ^_-
- FurrySaint
Saturday, February 26, 2005
And speaking of which: I hope nobody minds that I stepped in and changed a really minor bit of nomenclature. I think (although admittedly I'm not 100% positive) that Alpha's last name is properly pronounced and romanized as "Hasseno." I have a foggy recollection of a rule about doubling consonants in words with tsu in the right place. And it's also written as "Hasseno" on the coasters that come with the 2005 calendar ^^;
- Spooky Donkey
Monday, March 7, 2005
Howdy,
It's somewhat hard to tell in the Manga, but Alpha's last name is Hatsuseno. They can't make the "tsu" small in the furigana, which leads to confusion. In addition, the CD dramas clearly have her name as Hatsuseno as well.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Monday, March 7, 2005
Maybe we need to discuss it (again).
If you have your copy of Dec. 2004 issue of Afternoon, look at page 701. There you can find Alpha's full name written in romaji: "HASSENO ALPHA"
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that page. I was sure that Alpha's family name was "Hatsuseno"
- kGo
Tuesday, March 8, 2005
Howdy,
It sounds like there is conflicting evidence. I'll look when I get home tonight, but the CD dramas do pronounce the name as "Hatsuseno".
Time to start digging through and see what kind of evidence we can find.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Tuesday, March 8, 2005
Can't we just write in Alpha's name in both romaji and kana? I agree that furigana can be hard to understand sometimes ^_^;; I'd stick with what is in the translations so far (can't go back now!). The only person who could answer this totally and abosolutely Hitoshi-san himself (wanna write a letter someone?)
- baltakatei
Tuesday, March 8, 2005
Howdy,
Well going to Japanese Google and searching on " Hatsuseno Alpha" gives 14 results, including several pages that aim to be fan dictionaries on YKK, such as cafe-alpha.org. Examples below.
http://cafe-alpha.org/alpha_g/sakura_dic/dictionary.cgi?target=ha1#00040
http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~cxj07055/yokohama_menu.htm
http://jan.sakura.ne.jp/~y-nakaya/menu/yokohama/imidas/imidas_ha.html
http://www.geocities.co.jp/AnimeComic-Pastel/9787/yokohama/dictionary.htm
Searching for "Hasseno Alpha" gives only one result.
Unfortunately, there isn't an official homepage for YKK, and the Japanese Wikipedia is a bust too.
I did check the Dec, 2004 issue, and there is an image of Alpha tagged as "Alpha Hasseno", but since that's an page advertising volume 12, I'm not sure it's canon.
I still lean towards "Hatsuseno", but the evidence is definately muddied.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Tuesday, March 8, 2005
> Searching for "Hasseno Alpha" gives only one result.
The one suggests that Alpha's family name was probably taken from Hasse-machi, a name of a district where Cafe Alpha is considered to be located. It also suggests that Ashinano's pen name was taken from Ashina, Yokosuka.
I can point out that Maruko's place is located in a area that is called Maruko. There is a bus stop named Koumiishi in Hayama.
- kGo
Wednesday, March 9, 2005
Howdy,
The geographic place name info is interesting. I'm going to add it to the "curiousities" section.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Thursday, March 10, 2005
I made some mistakes. I said "Maruko lives in Maruko" but I should have said "Maruko lives near Maruko". The bus stop named Koumiishi is actually in Yokosuka, not Hayama.
I have some additional info. Atsugi airfield is located in Ayase. There is a bay named Aburatsubo next to Koajiro bay.
Oh, I made another mistake. Aburatsubo-kun was not a YKK character.
- kGo
Wednesday, March 16, 2005
There are many YKK annotated maps in Japanese but so far none in English that I can see. How about making one?
And yes, Aburatsubo-kun is not a YKK character but he does own a rather nifty little robot: Hoihoi-san: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichigeki_Sachuu_Hoihoi-san
- C_P
Thursday, March 17, 2005
That Wikipedia entry is a thing of beauty.
- whispers
Monday, March 21, 2005
Made some minor punctuation and wording changes -- no factual changes. Did manage to use the word "quotidian"
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=quotidian&x=0&y=0
since it accurately describes most of Alpha's activities. Never got a chance to use it until now, which makes me :) though I'll understand if someone removes it :(
- KD
Tuesday, March 22, 2005
Hello.
I just wanted to signal that I have started a YKK article on french wikipedia, too
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokohama_Kaidashi_Kikou
If there are another frenchmen around here, they are more than welcome ;)
First post btw, glad to be here.
Thanks everybody for your devotion and your hard work, especially dDave and everybody who worked on the YKK translations :)
- Ial
Tuesday, March 22, 2005
Hehe, now that the article is stable, we could add an audio version to it. Right now there's less than 37 total spoken articles. Just record yourself reading the article in Audacity or some other audio editing program! I don't think accent is a problem, as long as you state which accent you're using (i.e. US California, Australian, German). It's just our little article but I think it'd be fun to upload a recording of our interest. :D
link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia
- baltakatei
Thursday, April 21, 2005
I've been messing around Wiki tonight and I went to check on the YKK article we started. It looks a lot different than it used to. For one thing the picture of Alpha at the cafe is gone. You type in Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou on the search bar and you get directed to an article titled Yokohama Kaidashi Kiko with a little line over the O. It also appears there's no link to this site for discussion on the series or translations. I wonder if someone went through and seriously edited our article for Neutrality purposes and changed the title on us. Has anyone from here been keeping up with the article as of late?
- Christine K
Thursday, November 3, 2005
I visited it a few times, mostly right after Dave first introduced it here.
The last time I came there, it was like you have said. I'd be glad if we have the Alpha pic back, and have the page re-organized in Wiki standards. I dont how to do it right now, though.
Off topic: One of my friend said that he also know some one translating YKK and post in his forum, which is not this one. I'm trying to ask for the address of the forum.
- tongHoAnh
Friday, November 4, 2005
That's just it you can't explain to people what YKK is with just plain facts. There's so much more to it that the explination becomes poetic in a way. You become emotionally moved when you read the series that those emotions get poured into your explination of the series. That Wiki expliantion isn't even a true YKK entry anymore for me. It's dry and lifeless. It seems that's all they want are dry facts. When I read the discussion on the entry they were disputing so many things that people had added to th entry. They didn't like the fact that it was mentioned Ashinano won an award for this series because no one could give them a translated article about that award. Mention one little thing and you have to give them links to ten different souces and articles and other related materials. It's almost as though you have to write a thesis paper on a subject for it to pass by their standards. I'm surprised no one noticed the move they made with the article. Having the name with the O with the line over it may be correct romanization of the Japanese but it's not the YKK I know.
- Christine K
Friday, November 4, 2005
You might want to mention in the Alpha description that she is waiting for her Owner to return from his travels and maybe add that Ayase knows Owner is some unspecified way....
- Kerry
Friday, November 4, 2005
Howdy,
Wikipedia is cracking down on unlicensed images and links to content that violates copyright. That explains some of the recent changes.
Someone did come in and change "Kikou" to "Kiko" with a long "o". I didn't want to get into a pissing match about "proper" romanization (no such thing), so I let that slide.
But otherwise, the changes have been pretty minor to the original article I wrote.
It would be be interesting to have a audio version of the article. Maybe I'll have to try taking a crack at it.
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Friday, November 4, 2005
http://ykk.misago.org/Volume1/35 and I found the getsukin's still a getsukin as the series goes.
I'm not a significant fan of YKK, so I hope people would still welcome me to correct..
Changed the 'gekkin' in the curiosities part of the wikipedia to getsukin, is getsukin the right one?
- Jax
Friday, November 4, 2005
Howdy,
It's a "Gekkin". Neil made a tranlation error. The original Japanese is "Gekkin".
Best,
Dave
- dDave
Friday, November 4, 2005
Oo.. I see... My apologies for the trouble, I checked up right away to fix what I had done and it's already taken care of...
You're the best dave, and the elves as well, peace be unto you all.
- Jax
Friday, November 4, 2005
It seems like we have a few people working on it atm, so I think it'd be best if you guys do some planning on what to change/improve together as a team. I'd love to see the plan here as well, maybe I could help messing with it.
- tongHoAnh
Saturday, November 5, 2005
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